Talk:Ron Guenther

Bias

Any reason why the second half of this article is entirley negative? This article is biased against Mr. Guenther —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.17.208.230 (talk • contribs) 16:34, May 4, 2007

I've spent some time wikifying and generally cleaning up the article. There's quite a bit more information to be added still, but I think the article is far less biased against the subject now than it was. -- Upholder 05:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Criticism Section

The criticism section had a couple of problems. Most prominently, it reduced criticism of Guenther's football handling to one event: the hiring of Ron Zook. This is inaccurate. Fans and boosters alike point to Guenther's entire record when criticizing his handling of the football program, notably his record and his tardiness in firing Lou Tepper, hiring and firing of Ron Turner and, now, hiring and lack of firing Ron Zook. They also criticize his scheduling (only having 6 home games after renovating a stadium while most BCS teams have seven, scheduling Cal, Cincinnati, Fresno State, etc. instead of D-II/D-IA schools). Furthermore, in the grand scheme of things, the criticism of his football handling is far more strident and fact-based than his isolated outburst at the NCAAs. Sportswriter Loren Tate, who loves Guenther, has openly worried that the football record will tarnish Guenther's (in his opinion) otherwise-wonderful record. When you search "Ron Guenther" on google,

The bottom line is that a simple paragraph of criticisms about the football team belong in any encyclopedic article about Guenther. I have added a very simple one with what I think are the most relevant facts, including citations to recent sources. Because the article mentions the "best AD" in America quote previously, it's not biased by any stretch of the imagination to include a criticism section, especially when such criticism has been acknowledged by every major writer that covers Illini sports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.151.240 (talk) 06:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Is that you, Detlef? Crotchety Old Man (talk) 14:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

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