Talk:Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cambrai

Split

in my opinion, this article treats two topics :

• the archdiocese: a district where the activities of the Church are under the supervision of an archbishop,
• the independent political state, with an archbishop as leader

I really do not agree with you. Most of the article is formed of various lists. If there is any mention of an independent political state then it is only mentioned in passing.Op47 (talk) 23:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree with you either. The political state and the ecclesiastical state were the same, like the Papal States, or the Archbishoprics of Mainz and Cologne, whose incumbents were Electors of the Holy Roman Empire. The idea of separation of church and state is a relatively late one. See: Robert Louis Benson (2015). "Chapter I". Bishop-Elect: A Study in Medieval Ecclesiastical Office. Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-1-4008-7678-5.

[also, BTW, please follow Wikipedia guidelines, and sign your comments]. --Vicedomino (talk) 08:45, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

The political state and the archdiocese are not in fact the same at all for any of the cases you mention. The Archdiocese of Mainz and the Archbishopric of Mainz encompassed completely different territories, with many territories ruled by secular princes under the ecclesiastical sway of the Archbishop-Elector. The even bigger problem I see here is having Cambrésis, which refers to a territory that continued to have a distinct existence well after it ceased to actually be ruled by the Archbishop, redirect to an article about a diocese. john k (talk) 13:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Notable People

The list of notable people is copied from an article in the Catholic Encyclopedia. It may be of some interest to the practitioners of that faith, but it is certainly POV. Somebody who is of interest as a Catholic 'saint' may be of no interest whatever to history or society.

I question whether any of the people who are bulleted in that section, most of whom date from the first seven or eight centuries of Christianity, are of any importance whatever. Even their "sainthood" is a matter of custom, from before the time that there were formal inquiries and judgments.

It is very ecumenical to include two Lutherans among the notable people of the Diocese (a re-write is needed to explain the significance). But there seem to be no 20th or 21st century notable people.

--Vicedomino (talk) 08:45, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

As promised, I have deleted the following unimportant and unreferenced notables:

• Saint Eubertus, an itinerant bishop, martyred at Lille (third century);
• Saint Chrysole, martyr, patron of Comines, and Saint Piat, martyr, patron of Tournai and Seclin (end of third century);
• Saint Pherailde, patron of Bruay near Valenciennes (eighth century);
• the Irish missionaries Fursy, Caidac, Fricor, and Ultan (seventh and eighth centuries);
• Saint Winnoc, abbot of Bergues (end of seventh century)

--Vicedomino (talk) 11:35, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Pilgrimages

The section on "Pilgrimages" actually contains two lists; the second is a list of religious orders that do business in the diocese. Neither is properly referenced. They derive from a POV source, the Catholic Encyclopedia, which is a century old or more, and which does not represent the current situation in the diocese. This section must be revised or deleted. --Vicedomino (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Abbeys

The section on "Abbeys" appears to be more than 215 years out-of-date. It is unreferenced. It should be updated, rewritten, and referenced, or removed. --Vicedomino (talk) 15:21, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Categories?

This diocese appears to be solely in France. Why is it included in the categories for Belgium & the Netherlands as well? I plan on removing those categories in a few days if no one provides sufficient answer. Thank you! Referencer12 (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)