Talk:Rolling Thunder (organization)

Request for sources

Since nearly every comment on this page has a {{fact}} tag after it, I added the {{unsourced}} tag to the top. --Horse Badorties 13:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed some unreferenced comments, in keeping with WP:V. I also removed the {{unsourced}} tag from the top. --Horse Badorties 04:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I would love to see some good estimates of the actual number of bikes that participate in the ride. Two methods I came up with are to estimate the size of the parking lot and divide that by the average amount of space a bike occupies when it is parked. Another way to estimate is to divide the time it takes to empty the parking lot by the number of bikes that leave per unit time on average. I used both these methods two years ago and came up with between 30 and 50 thousand bikes.

Those of you who have actually been to RT can check me on this. Let's suppose there were 100,000 bikes in the parking lot, and it takes 4 hours to empty the lot. That means that bikes have to leave the parking lot at the rate of 7 per second. Do you think that is reasonable? Does that jive with your observations? If the number of bikes is 300,000 that means 21 per second. Billonesty (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

That would be original research, and is of no use on Wikipedia. See WP:NOR. All you can do is quote what the media or the authorities say. If you feel like doing the experiment, more power to you, but just realize it can't go in the article here. Maybe on somebody's blog or a web forum. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Page clean up

Removed the sentence "The organization works to lobby United States government officials to further investigate the possibility of missing POWs and MIAs held in captivity since the Vietnam War as well as from other conflicts." since this sentence already appears, almost verbatim, in the first paragraph. I also added a {{stub}} tag. I also removed the WTO link, keeping with WP:EL and WP:NPOV. --Horse Badorties 14:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed uncited material. Also removed one redundant clause. Shifted some material up to the first paragraph. --Horse Badorties (talk) 05:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Since the english language does not allow one to be dedicated to the "search of" something, the first sentance of the article should be edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.232.157 (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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What MIAs have been located?

Good job on this article, GSUKyle. I'd be very interested to see an addition to the article that indicates what successes the group has so far. Have any MIAs been located and/or brought home as a result of this group's efforts?Georgiasouthernlynn (talk) 18:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thnak you. I will continue searching for exact numbers, however, I have found a list of the bills that have been brought before congress by this organization. I will be posting that soon. If you have any other ideas for editing please let me know. thank you Georgiasouthernlynn. GSUkylesmallegan (talk) 18:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Inaccuracy

"Starting in 1987 and continuing through May 2008 Rolling Thunder has been conducting the “Rolling Thunder Run” which all of its members attend. For 22 years the members of Rolling Thunder have converged on Washington, D.C to show their continued support for the efforts to find lost service men and women of past conflicts."

Also inaccurate/outdated - 2010 was RT XXIII - I was there and have the patch, so 2008 could not have been 22. Sentence would probably read better as:

"Begining in 1987 and continuing through the present, Rolling Thunder have conducted the “Rolling Thunder Run” on Memorial Day Weekend which all of its members attend. Since 1987 the members of Rolling Thunder have converged on Washington, D.C to show their continued support for the efforts to find lost service men and women of past conflicts." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.71.24.194 (talk) 15:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

" founder/executive director Artie “dictator” Muller." is inacurate. Artie was not a founder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.71.24.194 (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

There's a desperate need of reliable sources (i.e., outside of the organization itself) for this information and the rest of the page. These sources should be verifiable. A good example would be major newspapers or books. tedder (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Vietnam POWs Controversy

There would seem to be an obvious link between this group and the controversy surrounding US POWs supposedly still remaining in Vietnamese hands. What was their response to the Kerry committee's announcement that there were none? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FOARP (talk • contribs) 06:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Review Impact

There are no references for this section and it should be removed as needlessly inflammatory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pseudodude (talk • contribs) 16:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

This is the edit you are discussing, and I removed it. tedder (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Ride to the Wall versus Run for the Wall

Comparing Ride to the Wall (Rolling Thunder) and Run for the Wall (rftw.org) it is apparent that the name of the ride in D.C. has a discrepancy. There may be different names for the different organizers? Or maybe one applies to the continent-wide rally and one just to D.C.? Since this article is about Rolling Thunder org., I restored the term used by them. — Brianhe (talk) 18:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

the who?

The Economist said the organization "was founded...to advance a specific crackpot belief: that successive Republican and Democratic administrations have concealed evidence that American captives are being held alive in South-East Asia.

That is equivalent to saying Southerners (USA) hold their Rebel flag as beloved because they intend to again attack the North.

Soldiers were held captive and (some) tortured, who were historically not release at the end of that war "on time" or are still MIA. No one is asserting today people drive to DC in a protest the USA gov to begin new searches.

It is a legacy to remember the people some would find convenient to forget.

Saying it is a crackpot beleif is putting words in others mouth and is impertinent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.223.190 (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

It's called "criticism". You don't have to agree with it. The Economist is a highly respected publication recognized around the world. But their opinion is merely their opinion. We properly attributed the editorial opinion and didn't frame it as fact. I don't see what your problem is. Wikipedia articles include criticism from reputable sources, and people have a right to criticize Rolling Thunder. Freedom, you know?

I agree with your comparison with the sudden popularity of the Confederate Battle Flag during the 20th century Civil Rights Movement. Those who think there are lots of MIAs and who like the flag have lots in common. But again, just opinion. Articles on Wikipedia strive to give fair weight to all major points of view. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

By the way, The Economist is published in London and doesn't always take kindly to American culture. Bu you're far less likely to hear criticism of an ostensibly pro-veteran group from a U.S. publication, I think. — Brianhe (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Memorial Day ride in D.C. ending after 2019

Hi. According to <https://www.stripes.com/news/rolling-thunder-to-end-annual-memorial-day-ride-in-dc-after-2019-1.560494>, the Memorial Day ride in D.C. is ending after 2019. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe rollingthunderrun.com in the Rolling Thunder Run to the Wall Infobox is associated with the actual Rolling Thunder organization that this article is about. In my opinion, this should be verified and removed. I've made an attempt to verify but I don't have conclusive proof of my belief. --66.37.66.139 (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)