Talk:Robert of Ghent

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April 13, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Robert of Ghent, a 12th-century Lord Chancellor of England, once tried to prevent an Archbishop of York from entering the city of York?

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Template:Did you know nominations/Robert of Ghent Ealdgyth - Talk 14:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Short citations

From the history of the article:

21:46, 13 March 2014‎ PBS-AWB (→‎References: AWB: dashes and/or citations onto one line and reordering of fields Also some chages to some Ancestry sections
22:24, 13 March 2014‎ Ealdgyth (thank you but I prefer the author to be all one field)
22:51, 13 March 2014‎ PBS (short citations linked to long citations)

You made your edit while I was halfway through linking the short and long citations so I did not see your edit until it clashed with my changes. The first-name last-name pairs allow for the linking of the citations which means far less clutter in the text as it is being edited. If you don't like it then revert as I will do no more on this article. -- PBS (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I find that giving the title of the work instead of the year is more helpful to the non-specialist reader - it's also a form of citation that's used enough in history to be familiar to the specialist also. It's really not good form to go in and change the form of citations to something you prefer without discussion - especially on an article you've not been much involved with. Changing to using the sfn template is a change in citation form and discouraged - you should know this by now. Yes, I will be changing it back - it's a perfectly valid way to format citations. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:30, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Giving a link between short citation and long citation is more useful for everyone as one click take the reader to the full citation. The method you are using makes it more difficult to find the long citation. "Changing to using the sfn template is a change in citation form and discouraged", that is a very narrow interpretation of WP:CITEVAR and there is no evidence that it is the consensus view. -- PBS (talk) 23:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]