Talk:Robert Sandifer

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"Telling him they were going to take him out of the city, he was brought to a viaduct underpass and executed. He was found later in a muddy pool of blood with two gunshot wounds to the head."

So this is the guy who was shot n the viaduct between 107th St and 111th St...or was it between 111th and 115th St. It was a small walkway that went through (under) the train tracks. That guy was a hardcore nigga, damn this actually happened {{subst:unsignedIP75.3.152.228|19:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)}}

Most people are unfamiliar with this viaduct underpass, thank you for the description of it (I thought it was a larger underpass for cars). It don't know which streets it was between, but perhaps you could get a photograph of one of them and post it on here? Wikindeling (talk) 17:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

wwell, to be exact about location it was 108th/st between cottage grove and daulphin,st. in the overpass for walking only, under the train tracks. the viaduct is sealed from both ends with concrete. other crimes have happen there also and easy get away because police cars cant fit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.237.84 (talk) 23:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

"... his small stature..."

The thread "Criminal Behavior continues... "(he was still beneath the height limit for many of the rides at nearby amusement park Six Flags Great America). 1) Six Flags is no where near Roseland, which is on the far south side of Chicago. Six flags is closer to the Wisconsin border. 2). Normally I would just remove the 'nearby' but in this case the whole parenthesized comment sounds like a newspaper article and should be removed.```Buster Seven Talk 14:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Disputed title

Per WP:BIO1E this article should be entitled, Death of Robert Sandifer. See, for example, Death of Sandra Bland. Mathglot (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps "Murder of..." or "Shooting of..." may be better.--GouramiWatcher^Talk 16:02, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

It’s fine the way it is, to me. Trillfendi (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I think the page is more of a biography rather than a description of his death, so it's fine the way it is. 170.24.141.81 (talk) 11:46, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Oppose renaming. He's notable for his criminal and gang activities as well, not just for his death. --Surachit (talk) 04:42, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support. He was not notable prior to his death. The only reason anyone knows the name is because of the crime. which is what is notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:42, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:BIO1E, fame is not synonymous with notability. Just because he wasn't well known until his death doesn't mean he isn't notable for other reasons. His alleged murder of Shavon Dean meets the notability guidelines of WP:CRIME in that it is unusual and noteworthy for an 11-year-old to be accused of murder. --Surachit (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

• I know what notability is. He doesn't fit under CRIME because the crime doesn't fit. Killing a non-notable person and getting some coverage about your suspected involvement doesn't get you past notability. Merely being "unusual" doesn't make it "noteworthy" and, as WP:NOTNEWS tells us, merely being newsworthy doesn't make something notable. But, using your logic, I'm sure you'll get right on starting an article about this 8 year old [1] charged with 2 murders, this 9 year old [2], this 11 year old [3] and this 12 year old [4]. Maybe this isn't as "unusual and noteworthy" as you thought since it took me literally 10 seconds to find those 4 examples (2 of which are less than 3 months old). Niteshift36 (talk) 12:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

• Forgive me for being brief. His suspected involvement in the gang-related murder of Shavon Dean, combined with a remarkable criminal record (23 felonies) for such a young person, along with the circumstances of his death, make his life notable. The only reason we even know about him is because of the life he led. There's a reason his story has received significant and lasting coverage and the cases you have linked will not.

The only reason to title an article "Murder of..." or "Death of..." is to place focus on the event rather than the victim or the perpetrator. But in this case, almost all of the media coverage is centered on Sandifer and his life, not on the single event of his death. --Surachit (talk) 05:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

• Sorry, but I disagree. His "remarkable" criminal record wasn't known outside of his neighborhood and the authorities until after his death. Had he not been killed, he'd be another run of the mill career felon. The coverage about his life only exists because of his death. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)