Talk:Robert J. Parins

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 00:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Not much to do here. See the clipping management suggestions for tips to use here and in other pages. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

• early Packers' players Should not be a possessive.
• "a Circuit Court judge" perhaps this should be lowercase
• "Parins' served"
  • No need for the apostrophe/possessive here.
  • But where you do need it, Parins's per MOS:'S. This needs some adjustment in other areas.
• He also handled over 1000 mediation or arbitration cases, before retiring from his legal career at the age of 88. Make "1,000" with a comma and remove the comma after "cases".
• The officers escorted Sinthasomphone back inside Dahmer's apartment where he convinced Add comma after "apartment"
• In 1994, Parins ruled that though Add a comma after "that" to complete the appositive.
• with Parins decision Here, you do need a possessive: Parins's decision.
• Two year later, in 1981, Maybe just "Two years later" (note the missing S in the original)
• presidency, but still retained Remove comma. The subject on both sides is Parins. See User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences (CinS)
• The Packers also constructed their first indoor practice facility and expanded its administrative offices Their or its? They should be the same. Also, "also" in two consecutive sentences should be avoided (it's in the next one...also).
• Parins' was also credited... No need for the apostrophe/possessive here.

Spot checks

• 4: 1982 article in the Press-Gazette. Mentions his former law firm (until 1967). Other citations from the period I found do concur with the obit about the scope of the 14th Judicial Circuit. Y
• 5: Mentions his status and ruling in brief. The two appeals were assigned to Judge Robert J. Parins, Reserve Circuit Judge. On the statutory appeal, decided in May 1994, Judge Parins found the penalty of discharge was unreasonable because the evidence before the Board showed merely negligent failure to properly investigate. Y
• 7: See [5] (and the NYT article). Y
• 8: a reported missing person, Konerak Sinthasomphone Y
• 15: Judge Robert J. Parins, vice president of the Green Bay Packers, was given significant additional duties today in the first major change in the National Football League club's corporate structure in nearly 25 years. Parins, who held an informal press conference at Lambeau Field shortly after a meeting of the board of directors, said the board adopted a resolution authorizing him to perform all of the duties and responsibilities of the principal executive officer of the corporation. Dominic Olejniczak, Packer president the last 24 years, was named to a new post of chairman of the board. Parins said Olejniczak will continue to serve as presiding officer of the executive committee and perform the functions as president. A bit of an odd one. Is the "principal executive officer" the president? The wording is a bit strange here—I suspect you will know way more. This seems like it could be right, but I want you to justify it.

Earwig mostly catches the Packers bio but to banal phrases like "He graduated from Green Bay East High School in 1936". No issues.

 Done, I think I got all of these. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Tips on Newspapers.com citation management

I wanted to add some suggestions around your use of Newspapers.com citations to improve them. It's great to see a GAN make use of Newspapers.com, but I see ways to improve your citation handling. Some of these you may already be doing.

• Use URL links in |pages= for multi-part articles. You can and should do this for articles that run multiple pages. I have done this here since I wanted to correct another technical error and also as a sample. At Bob Harlan, another GAN of yours, this would result in the removal of a total of 15 citation templates by consolidating multipart clippings into one reference per article, not per part. (I did one of those already to fix an error.)
• Be mindful of page numbers. For analog microfilm originals, Newspapers.com will automatically provide a sequential page number. However, this is not the actual page number in many cases, particularly when the newspaper uses section-page numbering which becomes more common after midcentury. For instance, [1] is page 33 sequentially but actually page 7C. Make it a habit to check the page numbers. Some papers, particularly back issues of the Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times, have numbered or Roman numeral sections, which I separate with colons: 4:5, II:12. And you might even find named sections, such as TV listings inserts, or weekend magazines, which have their own pagination altogether. The more you work with a newspaper, the more you will understand quirks in its upload, etc.
  • You may need to adjust newspaper titles for some publications, especially joint Sunday editions and a few papers that changed their name. (An example: even pre-2011 citations say Tampa Bay Times, not St. Petersburg Times, unless edited.)
  • Digital microfilm is better at this, but some newspapers use a section label method that requires editing the page number. The Charlotte Observer, as is the case with some other papers, uses number-letter sectioning, e.g. 7C. Newspapers.com seems to only support metadata for the opposite, e.g. C7. Remember: every newspaper is different, and sometimes newspapers changed their pagination historically.

Are these just general recommendations or are there specific changes you see in the article? Regarding the split newspaper articles, the only reason I split hem up is to provide the opportunity for Wayback Machine to archive each link and provide that archive link in each {{Cite news}} template. This is sort of how I have done it (almost all of my GAs rely on Newspapers.com). Let me know what you think. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Images

There is one non-free image of the subject with a valid NFUR. The subject is eligible for this since he is deceased.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that five years after retiring as president of the Green Bay Packers, judge Robert J. Parins ruled on a case related to American serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer? Source: "The firings of Joseph Gabrish and John Blacerzak were "disproportionate" to their errors in the May 1991 incident when they returned a dazed, naked 14-year-old boy to Dahmer, Reserve Circuit Judge Robert Parins of Green Bay said" and "Parins was elected president on May 3, 1982, given the additional title of CEO in 1988 and served in those capacities until he retired June 5, 1989."
  • Reviewed: Lorenzo White

Improved to Good Article status by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Robert J. Parins; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• More of a comment than a review but I wonder if the fact that he was both a judge and one-time president of the Packers would be a better hook, without the serial killer angle. To me at least that seemed more unusual or intriguing than him judging that specific case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Sorry Narutolovehinata5, I thought your comment was more directed to a future reviewer. I don't mind other Alts being proposed; that said, the two things that put Parins in the news and saw the most coverage about him were his Packers career and his ruling on Dahmer. I think the Dahmer angle also probably draws people in more than just "he was a judge and an American football president". Happy to see an Alt if you want to propose one though. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Something like this then?

ALT1 ... that Robert J. Parins served as a judge before and after a stint as president of the Green Bay Packers?

I'll leave it to the reviewer to decide if this or the original hook is more suitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

• I will review this in the coming days! WatkynBassett (talk) 19:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
• The article was promoted to GA on 14 August 2023 and nominated on the same day.
• The article clearly has over 1,500 characters of readable prose.
• The article is sourced. I did spot checks on a few sources; they checked out and a GA spot-check was done as well. More academic sources would be brilliant, but there are probably none here.
• The article is written in a neutral and non-promotional tone.
• Earwig did not pick up many relevant issues. I would, however, suggest to rephrase "He graduated from Green Bay East High School in 1936" and maybe also "first indoor practice facility and expanded" as both are quite similar to the Packers bio.
• QPQ: Done.
• @Gonzo fan2007: Hook: I will review the hook tomorrow. Nice work so far! WatkynBassett (talk) 19:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Hook: Original: The original hook has the right length and is - in my view - hooky, because Dahmer still has half a million page views per month, and anything connected to him is thus quite interesting to many people (though I myself find killers quite boring). One issue, however, could be that it is a bit of WP:SYNTH, because no individual source cited above makes the connection. As both are factual statements, I nevertheless am unconcerned in this case, and the inline citation to the Journal Times makes the connection itself.
  • Hook: ALT1: Narutolovehinata5 I found the original hook a bit more interesting due to the Dahmer-connection.
    • Result: @Gonzo fan2007: Nice work on this article and thank you for creating free knowledge! I will approve the original hook when the two close paraphrasing issues identified above are dealt with. WatkynBassett (talk) 05:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
      • WatkynBassett thanks for the review. Regarding your close paraphrase items, both are instances of WP:LIMITED. (1) There are only so many ways to say "He graduated from high school". (2) The phrase "first indoor practice facility" is a specific thing, its a noun (facility) modified by three cumulative adjectives. Rearranging the phrase to be something awkward like "The Packers constructed a facility that for the first time provided indoor space for practices" is honestly just silly. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
      • After giving this some thought, your arguments convinced me. Ticked! WatkynBassett (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)