Talk:Robert Howard Hodgkin/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 18:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Happy to offer a review. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "a lecturer of modern history at the college, and from 1928 to 1934 was the university lecturer in that subject" The difference between these two took me a few seconds to work out, and I a university academic - I think it'll be unclear to most readers as presented.

• Any suggestion on how to rephrase/link it? This article and this one refer to it in a way that makes it seem an official title. Academic ranks in the United Kingdom isn't much help, suggesting it falls somewhere between the ranks (or is roughly equivalent to) associate professorship and full professorship.

• Oxford and Cambridge work differently to other UK universities (just because) and I've not studied or worked at either. It's not a reliable source, but babbinacara's explanation here chimes with how I understood it. The Oxford Glossary mentions, but (helpfully) doesn't explain, (part of?) the distinction, and, of course, things may have been different a century ago. I don't know if he would have been the university lecturer rather than just a university lecturer, and I think it's fair to call it a promotion. If you treat them as titles we can probably get around it... "In 1900, he was named Lecturer of Modern History at the college, and in 1928 he was promoted to University Lecturer in Modern History." Of course, this is all made more complicated by the "fellow"/"tutor" distinction introduced in the article body, which should also really be explained... Josh Milburn (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• Reworded to treat them as titles, and added some links.

• Could we have a reference immediately following the Roundtree quote?

• Done.

• "much of nobleless" Could you check that? nobleness, perhaps?

• Yep, typo. Fixed.

• Perhaps some context could be provided about Quakers - specifically, you just assume the reader knows they're pacifists and that Quakers = Society of Friends (and, I suppose, that The Friend is their periodical!)

• Clarified.

• Do we have a link for "Seventh Battalion"? Also, for the military ranks? And perhaps the academic positions in the next paragraph?

• Added: captain, Seventh Battalion, lecturer.

• "becomes overnight the first history to put in the hands of the serious beginning student of any aspect of English life before the death of Alfred" Again, could I ask you to check this quote? I don't really understand this.

• It's correct, if a little syntactically confusing. What it's saying is that a student—whatever aspect of English life he or she is studying, so long as it is before the death of Alfred—should start with Hodgkin's book.

• I see it! 12:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• "next breach added" Breach?

• Typo, should be "breath." Fixed.

• A little prosaic, but I don#t mind! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• "if it was predominantly a corrected version of the first" Again, sorry, I'm a little puzzled.

• Reworded: A second edition, predominantly a corrected version of the first, followed in 1939.

• You don't cite the Cronne paper; is that deliberate?

• I don't have access to it at the moment, so added it as a placeholder until I get access.

• I can probably get it if you like? Email me if you want me to try. 17:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks, sent you can email.

• Can't get it right now, but I think I will be able to in a couple of weeks. I'll get back to you. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:07, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• Categories for Balliol College and Newcastle? For Quakers and the Boer War? Modern history?

• Added categories.

This generally looks great; I'll look more closely at the sources another time, but they look good at first glance. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

And please double-check my edits! Josh Milburn (talk) 19:16, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Josh Milburn, much appreciated. Responses above. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Josh Milburn, responses above. --Usernameunique (talk) 01:52, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok - I can't really fault this article, so I'm happy to promote. It's fairly short, but I don't think that's a problem in this case for GAC purposes. Great work! Josh Milburn (talk) 09:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again, Josh Milburn. Also, it turns out that the two reviews are also on Wiley, from which I'm able to access them, so there's no longer a need there. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)