Talk:Robert Ayres (scientist)

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Support; there is no reason to have this set up as a disambiguation page when there is no one else to disambiguate. Further, the original page name was Robert Ayres, Sustainability advoctate, which wasn't the normal form anyway. -James Howard (talk/web) 14:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Gene Nygaard 21:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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First, thanks for giving me this chance to expalin how we got here. Despite the fact that I am the guilty party who put this tag in (and this entry), I am inclined also to vote for the simplification. But let me share with you my problem and the reason in fact that I am putting Ayres and a certain number of, help me with a better word if you will, Sustainability Advocates into the WP.

This is an unusual quality of person and accomplishment, and I have the great good luck to know and to have worked with a very large number of these outstanding thinkers and activists. Bob Ayres is but one example. One of the things that I have tried to do over the years is to find ways, occasion, to "band them together" for a yet greater good. Now these are for the most part rather solitary souls, because if you wish to advance the sustainability agenda you are working against many of the assumptions and values of the mainline establishments. Let me point you to an example before you either (a) vote and/or (b) give up on this underlying idea once and for all. Have a look at the International Advisory Council that we have managed to pull together to support the independent international peer support program of Kyoto World Cities 20/20 Challenge at www.kyotocities.org.

Now it is my hope to find ways that the world will start to see them not as isolated individuals, off the mainstream of the values of Exxon, the latest administration of your choice or USA Today. To be an active, successful proponent of sustainable development and social justice you have to have certain intellectual, social and behavioral characteristics. These people operate (we make the point in the Kyoto Cities page on the Council) according to different reward systems. They are all "in it for the long slog" (as one of the fine Indian scientists has put it). For a human being, a life is a long time. And these are people who have decided to make this their lives.

Which is why I have set out to sub-tag them all as Name Name, Sustainability Advocate.

I am sure that there is a better way to do this. And maybe some of you can help me find it. If so, thanks. If not, thanks anyway. ericbritton 22:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Categories. Gene Nygaard 02:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On developing this article

I'm about to create a 'Publications' section and add a title that I just happened to come across and cite elsewhere in Wikipedia. My standard practice when adding citations is to see if there is an article on the author and add an authorlink, which is how I came to this article. On creating the sectin and adding the publication, I'll add a link to this talkpage in the edit summary. My point in doing this is to put to anyone reading this, is that the article is clearly underdeveloped, and clearly invites the addition of one or more messageboxes. I would advocate against this. I would say if you are spending time in Wikipedia anyway, and if you know how to read and find information, I would advocate that you use your skills to help develop the article, even if it does slow down your edit count. 'Tagging', 'edit-warring' etc, and massess of article stubs, provide enormous amounts of data for astute behavioural scientists to analyse and write theses, articles, and books about, but will not contribute to the sustainability of Wikipedia. Wotnow (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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