Talk:Roads (Lawson song)

Requested move 21 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Multiple songs exist and no one has claimed a primary topic to replace dab per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 21:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Roads (Lawson song) → Roads (song) – Only song called "Roads with an article. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2DC9:63F9:6391:2DD (talk) 21:29, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2DC9:63F9:6391:2DD: There are at least 6 songs called "Roads". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Yes, that is true, however none of them seem to have articles. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2DC9:63F9:6391:2DD (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No.11 in Scotland. Well maybe, but the Red Army Choir standard "The Roads" is also often called just "Roads" in English sources. And it didn't have an article on en.wp. But it's more famous than the Lawson song, and no comparison in terms of encyclopedic notability. What to do? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguation requests for ephemeral pop products with unremarkable names so often show up a hole in coverage of notable content. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ per WP:SONGDAB. Per the guideline and established consensus, we do not include the artist's name unless there are multiple articles on songs of the same title.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. I see that another ambiguous article, Roads (Red Army Choir song), has been created without being brought up here. Assuming this article is actually notable, the artist names are necessary.Roads (song) is WP:INCDAB and should remain pointing at the dab page.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the nomination per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. The question of whether a topic is currently the subject of a standalone article is never a deciding issue in assessing whether it is the primary topic. In some cases it is irrelevant.

The primacy or otherwise of any topic should be assessed by the properties of the topic itself, rather than of how Wikipedia currently covers the topic. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC issue; no one is claiming this is the primary topic of the undisambiguated name "Roads". It's a disambiguation issue, and the relevant WP:SONGDAB is pretty clear that we don't include the artist's name if there aren't multiple song articles of the same name.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

However, now that there's a second article on a song of this name, the present title should remain.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Is every junky song some people listened to notable?

I don't understand why we should litter an encyclopedia with music that is in no apparent way notable. Just because it's art, or published, doesn't make it significant.