Talk:Rittal
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Some proposed changes
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I just edited this article by delivering a translation of the German article. As an employee of Rittal I sure have a conflict of interest, but I wasn't aware that a translation is seen as such, sorry! It would be nice if someone could have a look at my translation (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rittal&oldid=812542531) and if it is okay publish it. Thanks and sorry again, --Manuel Funk (talk) 13:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- The translation is fine. I removed the claim to 11, 000 employees until secondary confirmation. That may be what the company website says, but I'm not entirely sure what metrics they're using to arrive at that number. 11,000 seems excessive. There seems to be much more on the German version.
Is there more text somewhere that you'd like to add to the article?I see now where the proposed text is. Please add it here to the talk page for us to consider. When its ready, change the "answered" response in the request edit template from "yes" to "no" to reactivate your request. Danke schön Spintendo ᔦᔭ 04:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Just added the the proposed text (see below). Thanks for having a look at it! --Manuel Funk (talk) 08:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Translated Version of German Article
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Rittal, headquartered in Herborn, is a German provider of solutions for industrial enclosures, power distribution, climate control, IT infrastructure, and software and services. Solutions from Rittal are used, among other things, in mechanical and plant engineering, the food industry, IT and telecommunications. Founded in 1961, Rittal is the largest company in the owner-operated Friedhelm Loh Group with a workforce of 9,300 at 13 production facilities and 58 subsidiaries. The German production sites are located in Herborn, Rittershausen, Hof (Westerwald), Burbach and Eschenburg-Wissenbach. The company is certified to ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 and its CEO is Karl-Ulrich Köhler. The name Rittal is derived from the places where the company was founded – Rittershausen in Dietzhölztal. Products The product portfolio includes enclosure, power distribution, climate control, IT infrastructure, and software and service solutions. In collaboration with sister company Eplan, Rittal digitizes customer processes with data that extends from the engineering and production stages all the way through to logistics and commercial processes. At the heart of the digital workflow is the virtual prototype, which interconnects all process steps. The main sectors employing Rittal solutions are as follows:
Locations Rittal is represented by 58 subsidiaries throughout the world. The sales network comprises 150 sales and logistics centres. Production takes place at 13 facilities, including the following:
In 2016, Rittal started constructing one of the world’s most advanced plants for compact enclosures in Haiger. The concept is based on state-of-the-art workflows and production processes – from the customer order all the way through to delivery. Interlinked production at the plant will start in 2018. The Rittal plants in Rittershausen and Hof are also being geared to Industry 4.0 standards, and a further plant is to open in Dietzhölztal-Ewersbach. The company is investing around 250 million euros to restructure its production operations in the region. Awards
Sponsorship Rittal sponsors a number of football and handball clubs in the region, including HSG Wetzlar. Since 1 March 2006, the company has sponsored and lent its name to the Mittelhessen-Arena in Wetzlar, which is now called Rittal Arena Wetzlar. Rittal was also a major sponsor of Hessentag 2016 in Herborn. References
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Rewritten version of German translation
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Rittal is a German company headquartered in Herborn. The company manufactures industrial enclosures for use in industrial settings. Founded in 1961, Rittal is a subsidiary of the Friedhelm Loh Group. The name Rittal is derived from the places where the company was founded – Rittershausen in Dietzhölztal. Products Rittal is a German provider for industrial enclosure systems including power distribution and climate control as well as for IT infrastructure and software and services. Enclosures from Rittal are used in:
Locations Rittal is represented by 58 subsidiaries throughout the world. The sales network comprises 150 sales and logistics centres. Production takes place at 13 facilities, including the following:
In 2016, Rittal constructed a plant in Haiger and a further plant is to open in Dietzhölztal-Ewersbach. The company is investing around 250 million euros to restructure its production operations in the region. Sponsorships Rittal sponsors a number of football and handball clubs in the region, including HSG Wetzlar. Since 1 March 2006, the company has sponsored and lent its name to the Mittelhessen-Arena in Wetzlar, which is now called Rittal Arena Wetzlar. Rittal was also a major sponsor of Hessentag 2016 in Herborn. References | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rewritten version issues
[edit]Above you'll find my rewrite of your translation. Please note that the headings were removed from both versions, in order to maintain this talk page's heading structure in the table of contents. Although this is a translation of material that is already available on the German Wikipedia, the policies and procedures for conflict of interest editing on the English Wikipedia are stricter in some aspects, while the requirements for references are almost always stricter. Thus, some material available in the German version may not be so in the English version. See Translating German Wikipedia for more information.
- Some issues that arose over this translation:
- It was unclear how Rittal got its name. You wrote that it took letters from a city, but it's unclear from the letters that you wrote, where in the city's name, they came from. Please clarify.
- Please clarify what it is that the company makes; and as a manufacturer, whom do they make it for. For example, under "products" you have food service. Does this mean Rittal makes food? Or does it mean that they provide the staffing to serve food?
- Process industry - this has no equivalent in the English language, except for process servers who are connected to the legal industry.
- What you've titled "Awards" and I've titled "Industry recognition" needs better sourcing. I deleted anything that wasnt cited. Ostensibly that leaves only two awards left, and they both cite Rittal. Unless there are references from some other source, none of the stricken out material will be added.
- What is the significance of the Haiger plant? The explanation describing its purpose is confusing. Unless this can be expounded upon in an understandable way, it will likely be added in only a cursory manner, i.e., "The company opened a new facility in Haiger on such and such date."
Spintendo ᔦᔭ 18:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your work and information! I will have a deeper look at it when I have more time. But about your first point I thought this was clear by highlighting the letters by showing them in italics: The name Rittal is derived from the places where the company was founded – Rittershausen in Dietzhölztal. --Manuel Funk (talk) 09:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- I now made some changes to the rewritten version: I found sources to most of the awards, deleted the unclear part about the Haiger plant and added the part about the origin of the name "Rittal" with better highlighting of the letters. Next I will try to clarify the unclear parts about the products. --Manuel Funk (talk) 10:26, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I now rewrote the part about the products. I hope the article now is okay to publish and would very much appreciate it, if someone (Spintendo?) could do it! --Manuel Funk (talk) 13:49, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Reply quotebox with inserted reviewer feedback 30-JAN-2018
[edit]Below you will see where text from your draft has been quoted and individual feedback related comments have been inserted underneath each major proposal.
Products Rittal is a German provider for industrial enclosure systems including power distribution and climate control as well as for IT infrastructure and software and services. Enclosures from Rittal are used in:
- Electrical engineering and automation
- Renewable energies
- Information technology
- Infrastructure
- Mechanical engineering
- Transport technology
I dont generally see a problem with adding this. Although the products here in your draft are unreferenced, the term "enclosures", which is how the products are described in the article now, is not a very clear description for readers of the article — so at a minimum one or two products should be described for the reader to better understand what the company does.
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Locations
Rittal is represented by 58 subsidiaries throughout the world. The sales network comprises 150 sales and logistics centres. Production takes place at 13 facilities, including the following:
A list of factories is not what Wikipedia is really for, so I would insist on references for each of these if they are to be added. As an alternative, I can set up a collapsable table listing of cities, similar to the one used in the Bansard International article, that I believe would be unobtrusive enough to be included. Please advise.
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Industry awards
See below for this comment.
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Sponsorships
I dont see a problem for this, as other companies have their sponsorships listed. All that is needed here are references.
Regarding the Awards section, I apologize for asking for better references from you for these, which you did indeed provide in some cases. I really shouldn't have though, because in the end, these types of sections are usually problematic even with references. Industry related awards are, like many award systems in the business sector, based on a highly subjective set of criteria. This criterion and the standards and methadology used in its awarding is not usually disclosed here for people to see, keeping the contents and conventions of these particular awards and those who bestow them hidden from view. Perhaps what I should have asked for were references stating how and why these awards are significant to this industry. This along with references for the products and sponsorships is all that is needed now. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 15:02, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, I deleted the Awards section. Regarding the Locations section: a collapsable table listing of cities would be really nice, but should we include a selection of locations or all our location, like in the Bansard International article? I think this would be a really big table. Here are all our locations: https://www.rittal.com/de-de/content/de/unternehmen/produktionssttten/rittal_weltweit.jsp. These are only the countries. In some countries we have more than one factory. --Manuel Funk (talk) 12:26, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Location table
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Instructions
[edit]The list is shown above. You can see that the list is half-done, and yet it still remains compact in size even when uncollapsed. It autohides here on the talkpage only. In the article space its behavior would be to default open. However, if it is felt that auotocollapsed must be done, there are additional steps which can be taken. For now, you'll need to just finish the list. FYI the formatting may be difficult as far as the numbering of alotted spaces, if you're not familiar with this kind of table. When it's completed open a new edit request template and I can then move it to the article space. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 10:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Spintendo for your work on the locations list. I just completed it. --Manuel Funk (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Current draft version as of 14-FEB-2018
[edit]This version still requires at least one reference each to be placed in the products, locations[a] and sponsorships sections. As this version is perfectly minimalistic, I will accept references coming from the company itself. Those are the only obstacles left before having this version finally replace the current standing article. Spintendo 19:33, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Notes
- ^ For the location table, the reference can be placed after the words "including the following".
One additional point to clarify. Under Locations it states "Production takes place at 13 facilities, including the following:" It then lists several cities of locations. Does production take place in all of these cities? If this is a list of production facilities then the list needs to be focused on only production facilities. Please clarify. Spintendo 09:09, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- I just deleted the part "including the following:". The list contains all of our subsidiaries and production facilities and most of our sales and logistics centres. --Manuel Funk (talk) 10:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. It might just be best to describe what occurs at these locations. You said
"The list contains all of our subsidiaries and production facilities and most of our sales and logistics centres.
If you could just add that to the draft version and maybe explain briefly the differences. I'm trying to proactively address any concerns other editors might likely have with this list, and making sure we describe what this list is "listing" is a good idea. Thanks Spintendo 06:57, 18 February 2018 (UTC)- I see that volume production is listed for the cities where that takes place. Could you also describe what takes place at the remaining sites? Each site should indicate its importance to Rittal, or else the information might be deemed as not necessary and removed. Please advise. Spintendo 02:38, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo! I just edited the intro text above the locations table. I hope the term "sales locations" is enough to describe what is happening at the locations where no volume production takes place. --Manuel Funk (talk) 12:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- I see that volume production is listed for the cities where that takes place. Could you also describe what takes place at the remaining sites? Each site should indicate its importance to Rittal, or else the information might be deemed as not necessary and removed. Please advise. Spintendo 02:38, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. It might just be best to describe what occurs at these locations. You said
This looks good. The only thing we need now are references for this information. I will implement the list of factories and the sponsorships, as those are things which traditionally have been allowed for the company itself to reference. If you can think of any other references those would be helpful. Thank you! Spintendo 13:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Instead of the existing reference [1] which is from a company website (rittal.co.uk), one could use http://www.friedhelm-loh-group.com/en/unternehmensgruppe/rittal.asp. This is from the website of our mother company. Perhaps this is better then a reference from the company's website and not a COI?! The mentioned website could also be used as a reference for the foundation date. For what else information references are needed? --Manuel Funk (talk) 14:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- I've added that link to the External links section. Spintendo 00:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)