Talk:Riku Kiri

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In an interview he stated that his powerlifting raw max bench was 665.8lbs - so im questioning the valididty of 600lbs for 6 reps. [1] -- StrengthCoach 23:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

his best official bench is 290 KG (639 pounds done in 1991 I believe) which was done raw. He claims to have done 302.5 KG in training which in pounds is about 667 pounds also done raw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Outsideinside (talk • contribs) 04:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

He is also related to a World Fitness Champion - Connie Garner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.245.245 (talk) 12:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I question your questioning. How can anyone doubt anything about Kiri? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbo Smitty (talk • contribs) 04:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced ankle nonsense?

Perhaps it would serve you well to research your claims when editing valid info out. Kiri badly injured his ankle while in contention for the 1993 WSM title. It was seen on TV by millions in the WSM 1993 telecast. Kiri's coach, Suonenvirta, was interviewed and spoke about the injury. Kiri was 2 points behind Magnus Ver Magnusson leading up to the final events in WSM 1996. Kiri appraoched the apparatus but did not contest the event, due to another ankle injury.Robbo Smitty 03:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it would serve you well to 1) include references, and 2) choose your words more carefully. Saying that he had "weak ankles" is not the same as saying that he had an ankle injury. The original wording made it sound like he had some sort of congenital ankle problem. 24.128.153.211 22:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

According to this logic one will have to reference every single known fact. WSM has been on TV for about 30 years now and millions have seen it. Kiri's ankle problems are well known, referencing them is an unnecessary distraction. I think it's safe to say that, as readers of articles, we all eventually get lost in countless links, references, etc. And speaking of references, what about the totally unreferenced 300 kg. single-arm deadlift and 600 lbs. bench for reps. You can search 'till you're blue in the face and will never find anything to back those claims up, yet you did not edit them out. On the subject of weak ankles - if an athlete continuously expereinces ankle injuries, how would you categorize his ankles? ANd this is not over a period of a month, or even a year. Kiri had ankle problems in 1993, and then again in 1996. What would you call that? Super-strong ankles? Robbo Smitty 03:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Why couldn't you call it "a series of ankle injuries"? That's certainly a true statement that wouldn't be challenged. Extrapolating from that to say that he had "weak ankles" is essentially what Wikipedia regards as original research. As far as references are concerned, please see WP:REF. In particular, note the part under "When to cite sources" that says:

The need for citations is especially important when writing about opinions held on a particular issue. Avoid weasel words where possible, such as, "Some people say ..."

Your statement about Kiri included the words "strength experts have agreed"...WP:REF makes it fairly clear that this is exactly the type of statement that needs to be referenced. 24.128.153.211 23:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

By the same logic where are the references to back up the deadlift and bench claims? There are none. As a matter of fact, they were invented and posted by the article starter who is well known (by his IP address) to strength discussion boards to be a fraud. You choose to remove a true statement on the basis of word selection but leave in fabricated claims that that are not, and cannot be backed up by facts. Strange.Robbo Smitty 03:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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