Talk:Richard Sherman (American football)

Removing Early Life Section And Further Edits

Section was not written neutrally and is unsourced.

Further portions of this article are unsourced, but neutral (such has HS), so they should be left for now. I have this marked to come back to when I get a chance, but in case someone wants to beat me to it I plan to also clean up a lot of the repetition in the article. IMHO, this is quite a sloppy article for such a high profile NFL player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sulfurboy (talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

Why is something that happened yesterday under the 2013 heading?

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

Someone may want to replace the Chimpanzee picture being utilised to depict Richard Sherman with an actual picture of Richard Sherman. 2601:1:8600:53F:F47D:3678:604A:40EE (talk) 03:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

^ This is ironic because I just came here to edit the Richard Sherman page to just say "owns" and include a link to the postgame interview video, but I found the page already semi-protected and wasn't about to go make an account for a weak troll job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.228.249 (talk) 03:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like it was already fixed by ClueBot. RudolfRed (talk) 03:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

So was he at Stanford for 6 years?

It says "as a freshman in 2005," then also says he played on the 2010 team. Based on my reading of the rest of it it sounds like he got an extra year of eligibility after his knee injury, but that'd be 5 years. So my guess is 2005 should read 2006, but anyone who knows better is free to explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.31.36 (talk) 06:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

The Stanford mascot is the "Cardinal" as in a color, not a bird. Thus there is no plural. All references should be to the "Cardinal" never to the "Cardinals". First paragraph, this is listed incorrectly. Lynzy143 (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by DHeyward. LittleMountain5 22:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

The Stanford team mascot is incorrectly referred to as the "Cardinals" plural. It should be the "Cardinal" singular. Ranielsen (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by DHeyward. LittleMountain5 22:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

When the article mentions that Sherman played for Stanford, it refers to Stanford's team name as the "Cardinals". This should be changed to the "Cardinal". (Stanford teams are named after the color, not the bird) 130.64.138.219 (talk) 18:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by DHeyward. LittleMountain5 22:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

What you described as being a 2013 event occurred in 2014 (Sherman/Crabtree)

76.99.93.247 (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

It occurred as part of the 2013 season, so while you are technically correct, leaving it as 2013 would also be correct, and in my opinion, more so. However, someone else may make the change if they wish (leaving this unanswered).Lrgetrout (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

How about leaving it as 2013 but adding the date so it's clear all around? I put it into the article. Seems a little clunky but much clearer. --ElHef (Meep?) 03:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

He played for the Stanford Cardinal, not "Cardinals." 96.32.140.84 (talk) 19:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by DHeyward. LittleMountain5 22:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014

Please change Stanford Cardinals to Stanford Cardinal (without the s). The stanford mascot is a color and not the bird. It cannot be pluralized.

98.14.176.8 (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by DHeyward. LittleMountain5 22:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

NFC Championship Game

One of the things that Sherman is most famous for is trash talking after the 2014 NFC Championship game. He made a tip that lead to an interception to seal the Seahawks win and then flashed a choking sign at Colin Kaepernick and was penalized. Then in the post-game interview, he said he said, "Well I'm the best corner in the game. When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree that's the result you're going to get." That interview went viral, and having gone viral, it is one of the most well-known clips of Richard Sherman. It should be included in the controversy section, because there are some people who think it was an example of poor sportsmanship and others who think it was a positive example of passion. Coming down on the opposition side, just to cite two examples, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless, for example, both said they didn't think he should have done that. Many people online reacted as well. Anyway, it is certainly worth mentioning if you are going to mention his other viral media appearances, such as his argument with Bayless and his feud with Roddy White. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.17.76.43 (talk) 23:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

This edit is extremely biased and leaves out several pieces of vital information. The editor does mot mention that after the tipped ball, Sherman approached 49ers receiver, Micheal Crabtree, to shake hand but instead was shoved in the face. The NFL released video clips with full audio, which revealed that when Sherman approached Crabtree he said, "hell of a game. Hell of a game." The video also showed Sherman hugging multiple 49er players and wishing injured 49er player Navarro Bowman a speedy recovery. The choke sign was not flashed until after Sherman approached Crabtree and was shoved. The rant also came after the altercation. The editor also leaves out allegations that Micheal Crabtree tried fighting with Sherman at a charity event for Arizona Cardinal's wide receiver, Larry Fitzgerald. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.194.105 (talk) 04:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The NFC Championship section is a mess. The chronology of events is wrong (see http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000315435/Richard-Sherman-taunts-San-Francisco-49ers or http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/0ap2000000316744/Sound-FX-Sherman-and-Crabtree-clash). Sherman went up to Crabtree immediately after leaving the corner of the end zone and after getting shoved in the face, he later made a gesture of choking (perhaps in reference to the Colin Kaepernick Beats Audio TV ad?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.45.164 (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

@174.24.194.105: The section has been updated since your comments, partly following a NFL press release that described his handshake offer towards Crabtree as "mocking." It did not mention or evaluate his hugs of other 49ers. Please let me know if you would suggest further improvements. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 21:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

@66.219.45.164: So there was an error in chronology that has now been fixed. By itself, that hardly seems to qualify the section as "a mess." Any other comments? --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 21:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

References

College Career

The nickname for Stanford University's Athletics Program is the "Cardinal" and is only referred to singularly ie "the Cardinal." It is NEVER pluralized. The term "Cardinals" in this section needs to be edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.160.14 (talk) 18:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Protection

Can someone protect this page from juvenile hacking please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.155.227 (talk) 16:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done Protected for 2 weeks- Gilliam (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, since he's now listed at 10'4" (in the Combine box) you may want to protect it again... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.86.238.129 (talk) 16:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Richard Sherman

The Seattle Seahawks cornerback. He has been one of the worlds best players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:AA00:964:F8F6:A83:D76E:6FD5 (talk) 17:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

He is no longer with the Seattle Seahawks.. Nrowan (talk) 20:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 21 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 10:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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• Richard Sherman (American football) → Richard Sherman
• Richard Sherman → Richard Sherman (disambiguation)
• Richard M. Sherman → Richard Sherman (songwriter)
• Richard U. Sherman → Richard Sherman (politician)

– The NFL player is clearly WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, per page view statistics. There are five "Richard Sherman" entries listed at the Richard Sherman (disambiguation) page, but with middle initials on two entries. AaronWikia (talk) 20:15, 21 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support first two per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC which I agree is obvious per page views. Meh on the other two. We generally prefer natural disambiguation over parenthetic, so unless there is compelling evidence that these guys are not commonly referred to with their middle initials in sources, I'd say leave them alone, but no problem if they are moved. --В²C ☎ 23:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but if there is one, it would be legendary songwriter Richard M. Sherman [not Richard Sherman (songwriter)]. Eight-time Academy Award nominee and winner twice, he has always indicated his professional name as "Richard M." Here is the Academy Awards database which lists his nominations as those for "Richard M. Sherman" and here is his entry at the AFI Catalog. As for the politician, he is rarely indicated as simply "Richard". His family tree and other resources list him as "Richard Updike Sherman" and his gravestone specifies "Richard U."    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Roman Spinner: Whoops! I'm excluding both WP:RM – Richard M. Sherman → Richard Sherman (songwriter) and Richard U. Sherman → Richard Sherman (politician). AaronWikia (talk) 01:14, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose no primary in books In ictu oculi (talk) 07:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Roman Spinner. The legendary, Academy Award-winning songwriter Richard M. Sherman (It's a Small World, Chim Chim Cher-ee, A Spoonful of Sugar, Let's Go Fly a Kite, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (song), The Wonderful Thing About Tiggers) is known world-wide and is more notable than a 3× first-team All-Pro American football player. Cbl62 (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • That’s nice but ”more notable” is not a primary topic criterion; “more likely to be sought” is. —В²C ☎ 22:37, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: Yes, being "more notable" is a primary topic criterion. I thought B2C would have known that by now. From WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: "A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." No offense intended to any American football fans, but "It's a Small World" and "The Wonderful Thing About Tiggers" and "A Spoonful of Sugar" seem like pretty tough competition. As the article on that topic says, "According to Time.com, the song 'It's A Small World' is the most publicly performed song of all time." —BarrelProof (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. I may be biased as more of a baseball guy, but this seems a bit too much like recentism to me. Not that the football player has no longterm notability, but it's a hard sell against the composer who's been prolific since the 1960s (and appears commonly known without his middle initial). Nohomersryan (talk) 06:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for now The pageviews will have more significance after the football player's career ends, when it will be more fair to compare his enduring notability to the now 90-year old songwriter. For example, the Hall of Fame football cornerback Darrell Green, who has been retired for over 10 years, has page views on par with the songwriter.[1] It's too soon to judge if Richard Sherman the football player will be an enduring primary topic.—Bagumba (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2018

I think you should add a photo of Richard with a 49ers uniform Lisandro49 (talk) 05:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. Please indicate which file you would like to add, and where in the article it should go. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 05:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Should the July 14th Domestic Violence incident have its own section in the main article?

Since Sherman was arrested for domestic violence, along with a few other charges, this is a significant incident? Should it have its own section in the main article? The Ray Rice Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Rice#Domestic_violence_criminal_charges ) has a separate section named "Domestic Violence criminal charges" -- should the July 14th Sherman incident be moved into its own separate section like the Ray Rice incident? (to allow for a more full description of the incident, as it progresses) or should the description of this incident just be left in the "Personal Life" section as it is currently placed? Personally, I would create its own section, but wondering if anyone else thinks the same? DrDrago1337 (talk) 02:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:BLPCRIME, which says that "editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured", creating a new section this soon feels like an early move. (In the example of Ray Rice, a separate section was created in this edit in May 2015 – more than a year after he was indicted. The timeline for creating a new section in the Ray Rice article is not necessarily one to follow or to avoid following here, but since the section in the Ray Rice article was mentioned above, I thought I'd add more info about it here.) palindrome§ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd 16:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Great point, I agree it sounds like its definitely too early then, worth re-visiting when the trial concludes though I think. DrDrago1337 (talk) 10:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2021 (Update Charges for July 14th incident)

Personal Life, Last Paragraph, Sentences 1 & 2. These charges are now out-dated per CHANGES: Add a new sentence to the personal life section stating something to the effect of "On July 15, 2021, the charge of burglary domestic violence was downgraded by prosecutors to misdemeanor criminal trespass with a domestic violence designation" --- ALSO: consider adding a sentence stating "No family sustained injuries" or something to that effect. Or maybe, "According to the family's statement, no family members were harmed" this statement is included in the source, and multiple others. Not sure if this is significant enough to include or not though, or maybe worth waiting until after the trial to include that.

X (Empty space at end of personal life section) -> Y (On July 15, 2021, the charge of burglary domestic violence was downgraded by prosecutors to misdemeanor criminal trespass with a domestic violence designation) (add ref 1) DrDrago1337 (talk) 10:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Should have included more sources, here are some. Local Article: Headline: "Richard Sherman released from jail; felony charge reduced"

National Articles: 1. NBC Sports "Sherman faces four non-felony charges, set for jail release" Paragraph 2 reads: "King County District Court Judge Fa’amomoi Masaniai found probable cause to charge Sherman with second-degree criminal trespass, third-degree malicious mischief, resisting arrest and driving under the influence of alcohol." (supporting edit request) 2. USA Today "Richard Sherman released from jail after court hearing; charges pending for four misdemeanors" Paragraph 4 Last Sentence: "The felony burglary domestic violence charge was dismissed." 3. CNN Paragraph 6 Reads: Although he was arrested on suspicion of burglary, prosecutors opted to charge Sherman with second-degree criminal trespass instead leaving him facing only misdemeanors and gross misdemeanor charges."

Many more, but those 3 national articles are all on the WP:RS list. CNN Source last paragraph supports the statement that nobody was hurt also "in a brief interview with the Seattle Times, Sherman's wife said, "At this time we're going to make no statements, except he didn't harm anybody." She added: "My kids were not harmed in the incident. He's a good person and this is not his character. We're doing all right, just trying to get him out. I want people to know no one was injured." - The other sources also include that statement in them Someone updated the section so its accurate again -- marking this as answered.

DrDrago1337 (talk) 11:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021

In the "Personal Life" section, in regards to the July 16 arrest, there is a line that states "felony chargers were dropped." This line should read "felony CHARGES were dropped." there is a superfluous "r" in the original posting. 2601:280:C281:CBF0:A0E8:FDA2:A352:3703 (talk) 01:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 01:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Edited personal life section to fix July 14th incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Sherman_(American_football)&oldid=1034126433 - User MGHuc made an edit to the personal life section, and changed his charges to read "On July 14, 2021, Sherman was arrested and later charged with two counts of domestic violence in the second degree, malicious mischief in the third degree, resisting arrest, driving while under the influence, and reckless endangerment of roadway workers"

I edited the personal life section to clean this up, and removed an unnecessary sentence as well ("additionally, considering charges for dui+hit and run") Sherman was never charged with 2 counts of domestic violence in the second degree, to my knowledge, the edit seems to be unsourced, and they declared it a "minor" edit (when clearly it was not since it changed the substance) My understanding is that he has 2 misdemeanors that have a domestic violence designation, and he was initially charged with felony domestic violence burglary (which has since been dropped). No actual domestic violence crimes, just other crimes designated in that fashion. (very much not the same, my understanding is the domestic violence designation is an enhancement for sentencing, whereas of course second degree domestic violence is a completely unrelated felony he was never charged with) DrDrago1337 (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2024

In the personal life section, please add:

"Richard Sherman was arrested again for alleged DUI in Washington State on February 23, 2024." 2600:8800:3A8C:1E90:889A:7C45:AD77:E5A5 (talk) 04:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 04:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)