Talk:Rib cage/Archive 1
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Proposed merge with Human rib cage
It is unnecessary to have two articles. A main article, on the human rib cage, can be provided, and an 'in animals' section provided to document use prevalence in animals. LT910001 (talk) 02:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Done
- There is a still a few issues left over from this merger. The lede talks about the ribcage of all vertebrates, but the main article content is all about the human ribcage. InsertCleverPhraseHere InsertTalkHere 20:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Gender of rib cage in image?
The image is just labelled "human rib cage". Given that the article indicates that male rib cages tend to be broader than female ones, it seems worthwhile specifying whether that image is of a male or female human skeleton. --120.23.90.79 (talk) 05:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
evolution of rib cage
The earliest bony fish didn't have rib cages, and we evolved from them. Where in our lineage did the rob cage appear? Lunghfish? Tiktaalik? Jonathan Tweet (talk) 19:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Are floating ribs also false?
My teacher is teaching that there are 3 false ribs, and 2 floating ribs, but in the English WP it's showing that the Floating Ribs are also False Ribs. But the reference link is broken. By googling it, I find mixed results. Can someone shed some light? --Arthurfragoso (talk) 19:45, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- These statements are not incompatible. Ribs I-VII are true ribs (connect directly to sternum); the other 5 are false ribs, of which the last 2 (XI and XII) are both false (not "true") and floating (having no anterior cartilagenous attachment to the sternum). Here's a quote from a reliable source:
"Only the first seven ribs articulate with the sternum. The eighth, ninth, and tenth ribs articulate with the cartilage above. The eleventh and twelfth ribs are floating ribs and have a free anterior portion."
[1] As you note, some sources speak of the first 10 true and false ribs then of the 2 floating ribs, but I don't think the category "false" excludes "floating", the latter being a subset of the former. — soupvector (talk) 00:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ H.,, Swartz, Mark. "Chapter 10: The Chest". Textbook of physical diagnosis : history and examination (Seventh edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA. ISBN 9780323221481. OCLC 870864320.
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- Thanks for the reply! I searched in Google Scholar and it's clear that the academic knowledge is that the floating ribs are also false ribs. I'm short on time, so I will just post the links here, so we could use some of them to improve the article later:[1][2][3][4]
"The first seven are connected with the ster'num, and are named sternal ribs or true ribs. The remaining five are the aster'nal ribs or false ribs. The two last aster'nal ribs, shorter than the rest, and free at their extremities, are the floating ribs."
[5]- — Arthurfragoso (talk) 16:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ "The Thoracic Cage · Anatomy and Physiology". Retrieved 8 March 2018.
- ^ "Anatomy of the thorax". South African Journal of Physiotherapy. 16 (4): 3. Dec 1960. ISSN 0379-6175. Retrieved 8 March 2018.
- ^ Hyman, Libbie Henrietta (1992). Hyman's Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy. University of Chicago Press. p. 230. ISBN 9780226870137. Retrieved 8 March 2018.
- ^ Longe, R. Leon; Taylor, A. Thomas; Calvert, Jon C.; Roy, Myrella (30 August 2016). "The Thorax and the Lungs". Drug Intelligence & Clinical Pharmacy. 15 (3): 166–174. doi:10.1177/106002808101500301.
- ^ Pemberton, Robert (1852). The Natural Method of Teaching the Technical Language of Anatomy, for the Nursery and Infant Schools. London. p. 8. Retrieved 8 March 2018.
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Bible reference
I just wanted to mention that the bible verse indicated here is translated as "groin" and not "fifth rib." The use of the word "side" or "loin" is an ancient work around to avoid actually mentioning the private parts, and this often got translated as "rib" in modern editions of the bible.
I don't want to add it to the article because its of questionable relevance and possibly original research so I thought I'd put it here. And I do have an account, I just don't remember anything about it.
From Mechon Mamre:
"23 Howbeit he refused to turn aside; wherefore Abner with the hinder end of the spear smote him in the groin, that the spear came out behind him; and he fell down there, and died in the same place; and it came to pass, that as many as came to the place where Asahel fell down and died stood still. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.37.240.82 (talk) 21:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be deleted? It adds very little to the article and is confusing.24.37.154.82 (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree and removed. Thanks.--Iztwoz (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Rib
Unnecessary separation - already covered in greater detail on target page Iztwoz (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose IMHO this article seems at least as detailed as Rib cage. Am I missing something? We often cover individual units as well as their collections, particularly a topic as important as this one. — soupvector (talk) 23:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
- soupvector The anatomy section on the rib page has a main article tag of Rib cage. There is clearly more detail on the rib on the rib cage page. This is all a bit skewed - perhaps more of the detail of the rib could be moved to the Rib page and a main article tag to the rib placed on the rib cage page. ?--Iztwoz (talk) 04:56, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Have also just come across a redirect from linked ribs to rib cage.--Iztwoz (talk) 05:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
- Withdraw merge proposal - shall move more detail from rib cage to rib.--Iztwoz (talk) 06:41, 8 September 2018 (UTC)