Talk:Rhodesian Ridgeback/Archive 1

Archive 1

Thai Ridgeback and Phu Quoc Dog

I removed the statement of the picture which indicated that the Thai Ridgeback (a.k.a. Mha Kon Klab) and the Phu Quoc Dog were two separate breeds. They are actually one and the same dog, though different variations. Tbjornstad 10:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Shona Name

"Simba Inja" sounds to me like Ndebele. "Lion dog" in Shona is "Shumba Imbwa". Can anybody verify this name in either language? -- Vhata 17:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Breeders' links - Advertising?

I have noticed that some of the "Information" links point to individual breeders - to me it seems like advertising. Should we remove those links, form a "Breeders" links section or just leave it as it is? I would appreciate your feedback! -- 83.131.50.16 04:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

My thought -- associations, yes, breeders, no. Breeders are for-profit entities, and if you put in some, all the rest have the same right to be here. Associations provide breeder lists, so someone looking for a Ridgeback can find one that way. 64.122.31.130 -- 21:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I have removed the links to individual kennels. -- 83.131.35.113 23:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, 2 votes and voilla! its decided. First off, yes - those links that were removed went to breeder's pages - however, they were not advertisements. They specifically pointed to pages that were about the history of the breed. In some instances, the information on those pages actually had more in-depth knowledge regarding other questions that were being addressed earlier.

An advertisement is just that. None of those links pointed directly to advertisements.

I noticed that there was a link before about "Phylis" something or other. Sure, you click on that link and you are taken to a page that "appears" to be a history about someone in Ridgebacks. But, Low and behold - on the same page are links that go straight to advertisers (Breeders) pages. Now that, my friends, is about as transparent as you can get. Following that line of reasoning, One can write a little on some other breeder in history, show that there is a tie between the historical one and their own kennel based on bloodlines. Now they should be able to put their kennel up on the page as a link. To me this is exactly the same principle you voted on earlier.

I took a unilateral vote and removed that one myself. But, it will probably re-appear later.

Just because someone is a breeder and places puppies, doesn't mean their research should be nullified. I hope those links get put back. It was good reading, and shed a great deal of light on the history of the breed.

One other very important point that you may not realize. The real value in a link is in its credibility. Wikipedia may be credible, but their creators have decided that all links have a "NOFOLLOW" tag. This means that those links have absolutely no search engine value whatsoever. So, even if "advertisers" were to put links here - the Search Engines don't know they exist.

By the way - who determines that breeders are "for profit entities"? Not the poster of that statement, I'll bet. I doubt the poster has the credentials to make such an assumption. If you're breeding the right way, its an expensive proposition.

As nobody casted his/her "do not remove" vote after a month and a half, the decision was clear. There are interesting "bits and pieces" on many breeders' pages, but how to decide which to include, and which not? The info they have is either taken from existing books, or is actually unverifiable. So there is no need to include those links. And the fact is that breeders do sell their puppies for profit, and that every bit of advertising or "advertising" helps. Most people will look and say: "Wow, this breeder is featured on Wikipedia!" - and run to buy a puppy from him/her. BTW, search engines can be configured to honor "NOFOLLOW" tags or not - it is the decision of the search engine's owner, not Wikipedia's. - 89.172.0.103 12:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Added "Hybrids" section

I and a number of my friends have had Ridgeback-Mixes. Great family dogs! I added a section on these because of all the questions I've gotten (and fables I've had to correct) over the years. Someone might want to clean it up a bit with language to "separate" the mixes from the AKCs. A neighbor had one AKC male, and a year later the neighbor on the other side had a few half-Ridgebacks, from a mother who was never seen outdoors except in a locked dog run! We never actually CAUGHT the sire picking the locks, but . . . Anyway, we took one of the pups and then adopted another RR-Mix a couple of years later. It's been a while since I've had room for a dog (currently in a mobile home park in the middle of town), but have land in Nevada where I'll be building a house next year, and a Ridgeback or RR-Mix will be part of the family again. -- 64.122.31.130 21:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your effort, but I believe that this section doesn't belong here, as it contains your individual experience that may or may not be the truth. It could also encourage others to mix Ridgebacks with other breeds! If you have any sources to back your claims feel to add them and undelete the section.-- 83.131.35.113 23:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as Margaret Lowthian Cook once said - "I wouldn't want to mix these dogs any more - they have enough mutt in them already" :)

I removed that bit about respect for the lion/bordering on fear. Respect is a human term, and tbh it just sounds silly in that context. A dog is not a person, doesnt understand the deeper meanings behind these words.

Well, there you go trying to pretend you know what Ridgebacks are thinking. What may sound silly to you, may not sound silly to others. And, in fact - that statment is a paraphrase of S.H. Stewart of The Rhodesian Ridgeback International Foundation.

Who are you?

And who are you? It is polite to sign your additions to the discussion page with four tildes (~). Also try to keep this page structured so that we can easily know who is replying to whom. Thank you! 89.172.0.103 12:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

My point in the question "Who are you?" is with respect to a man with a well known reputation in the Ridgeback world, and you don't agree with what he said. So, again I ask - who are you to decide that someone of renown cannot be quoted? Amusing attempt to change the issue, so I give you credit for that.

By the way, I didn't sign with 4 tildes, and if it appeared that way it was an accident. But even if I did, it is irrelevant to the topic. Congrats though, on another attempt to change the issue.

What I am noticing here is an individual that makes a practice of assumptions about intent and without research. I know you may "sound" authoritative, as direct statements often do - but they only sound that way to the uninitiated.

My request to you would be to take a little more care - perhaps gain a little more information before unilaterally making a decision about what is to stay, and what is to go on wikipedia. Otherwise, you and I will have a continual "butting of heads".

You are replying to the wrong person. I neither removed the "bordering on fear" comment nor wrote the comment that made you ask "who are you?". Please try to maintain structure and sign when adding comments. It's getting really hard to follow who wrote what! 78.0.139.217 00:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Citations

hi looking for advice, ive recently bought a ridgeback and happily been walking him and training for up to 2 hours a day. He has responded fantastically!! Other dag walker of different breeds are telling me i should walk him onll 20 mins a day max..(4 months old) He has heaps of energy and i now feel like im neglecting him Can someone flag this article for having no citations please? Call me BingBong

Done Macboots 05:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

History

Perhaps until the two contributers who added the contradictory sections about the breed killing lions can come to a consensus about whether it is a fable or real, it shouldn't be there. I'll remove it until someone sources it. (otherwise it's a fascinating claim, love to see it if it's factual!) Oh yeah, fer chrissakes people, register, pick a name and sign your comments. It only takes seconds and it's silly to see comments from ghosts.Batvette (talk) 03:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Hottentot Hunting Dog

From what I know of this breed is that they were crossed with the hottentot hunting dogs, which were ridged. Legend has it that the hottentot dog was part Jackel. The hottentot's only bred the dogs with the ridge as it was the better hunter. I bred ridgebacks for many years and live with 8 of them, down from 15. Dereddog

No, the hottentot dog was not part Jackel. It is a type of dog called Pariah dog, though existing in many local variations all over southern Africa. The dog is today known as the Africanis, a umbrella name for the many different variations. Tbjornstad 10:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed claim to originate in Africa based on Boyko et al (Complex population structure in African village dogs and its implications for inferring dog domestication history, PNAS 2009, http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/07/31/0902129106) "Among putatively African breeds, Pharaoh hounds, and Rhodesian ridgebacks clustered with non-native rather than indigenous African dogs, suggesting they have predominantly non-African origins." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.60.21 (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Food for the rodeshian Ridgeback

May I know the kind of food neede for a healthy growth of theis breed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.204.40.15 (talk) 17:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Picture of Ridgeback 8 months.

I believe that you picture is mis-captioned. my ridgeback is 7 months old and looks like a mature dog. You picture may be better caprioned at 8 weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.22.143.166 (talk) 16:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Origins of Breed

Anon user just changed Great Dane to Greyhound in what the boer farmers xed with mastiffs to produce this breed. One book (New Encycl of the Dog) says that mastiffs & scent hounds were xed with existing native dogs to produce the breed. Anyone have any additional reliable sources? I suspect that this is one of those "no one really knows exactly" breeds, but it would be nice to be able to quote likely info. Elf | Talk 20:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Here is an online reference: [1] from the country of 'source' and what appears to be one of the best sources of information is: "The Definitive Rhodesian Ridgeback by David Helgesen" I personally would like to know which pointers were used - I am so sure that Vizsla must be in the blood, but how could I uncover if my opinion is accurate?! --FierE (talk) 08:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Genetics claims

Consider removing the section claiming that a two allele inheritance model of a dominant gene cannot explain an incidence of less than 25% in the population. A recessive allele may be uncommon (especially if deliberately selected against by breeders) which would make the incidence of ridgeless dogs less than 25%. The "Punnett Square Model" would predict roughly 25% of the offspring of two heterozygous parents to be ridgeless, NOT 25% of the total population.Longdehua (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Country of origin

From the research I have done on the breed I have found that the caption for "Country of origin" on the right is a slight bit of mis-information. Much of the breeding was done by "CORNELIUS JOHANNES VAN ROOYEN (NELLIS)" who lived in Zimbabwe for most of this time and therefore the country of origin would be "Rhodesia".

However, the breed is listed as a South African breed; in any show, the flag displayed is the SA flag. The conflict I have is that the primary breed used to create this Ridgeback breed lived in the cape (far from Zimbabwe) with the Koi San and therefore the breed's ancestory is South Africa. As a compromise therefore, I suggest that a caption be added under "country of origin: Rhodesia" to read something like "Country of representation: South Africa" I leave this to the dog experts to decide. --FierE (talk) 08:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I keep correcting the country of origin back to Rhodesia, although I've taken a compromise and changed it to Southern Rhodesia in my last edit. A similar situation occurred on the Pomeranian article (although new editors occasionally try to "fix" it still) where the historical location of its origin is now split between Germany and Poland - but luckily with this breed there is no such split, so listing the historical location and what its modern name is should suffice. Regards the South African question, there is a country of development option that we could list South Africa under. Miyagawa (talk) 10:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

South Rhodesia's name has fluctuated to just Rhodesia many times throughout history. So leave edits in. Do not add mini-flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrysUniverse (talk • contribs) 01:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Can't notice any disscusions even on latest page move

Moved back the page per Kennel Club Standard - as per AKC, Dog Breeds, Rhodesian Ridgeback. We use the names as given in breed standard. Hafspajen (talk) 09:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2015

You should put that the dark mask on their faces is known as a melanistic mask without the need of clicking the link. Ajkollmer88 (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2015

Some of the information in this article is inaccurate. I request review. The first source is not working and the reference to "african lion hound" or "Rhodesian lion hound" throughout the article is inaccurate. The breed is Rhodesian Ridgeback and that is the correct name for the dog. It looks like this page maybe having some vandalism problems, which is why it is protected, but the information is still incorrect.

Here is a good source: http://ridgebackrescue.info/breed

My guess is someone is against breeding or has some other political agenda here. I am sorry this has happened wikipedia. Please fix it at earliest convenience

cody.joseph.mcnutt@gmail.com

24.8.141.254 (talk) 05:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 05:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Referenced Photos are not Standard Rhodesian Ridgebacks

The first two photos on this page (as at 25/5/14) are not standard Rhodesian Ridgeback dogs. Also, the characteristic 'ridgeback' is not apparent in either picture. I don't have an appropriate picture to insert instead - could anyone else supply breed standard photos for this page? Smittee (talk) 14:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Note that the painting by Carl Friedrich Schulz (1796–1866) cannot be of a Rhodesian Ridgeback. The name "Rhodesia" was only coined after 1890 when the "Pioneer Column" of Cecil John Rhodes' British South Africa Company entered and occupied Mashonaland then Matabeleland. There were no Rhodesian Ridgebacks in 1866.65.186.94.69 (talk) 01:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Sighthound/Scenthound

This dog is not a sighthound. -- Richard Hawkins 20:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The Ridgeback is a Hound, not a Sighthound. It has such also been included in the Scent Hound category of Wikipedia. Please clear up these incongruities -- Richard Hawkins 02:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC).

Boy, opinions run rampant here, don't they? The dog is classified as a hound, but the fact is, it is both site and scent. I can attest to that by experience - but you should keep in mind that there were many arguments concerning this and the fact that it was a difficult decision to classify it. Early in its history, it was considered a hunting dog. So, is it NOT a hunting dog now that it is considered a hound? If you want to go by what the kennel clubs say, thats fine. But it isn't always the whole story.

The language in the section regarding this very debate is pretty conversational, it bears too much of the argument and too little fact. -D (talk) 05:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

As a child I walked with Ridgebacks in the Rhodesian bush. They were very athletic and were noted for springing vertically to see above the long grass. As they reached the peak of their spring, their heads would swivel to catch sight of the movement of prey through the grass. "Sighthounds" or not, they have great sight and use it to pursue prey.65.186.94.69 (talk) 01:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Initiated talk page, gave article a B class rating based on relatively good discussion of the Ridgeback. However, there definitely needs to be source citing (not performed since first formerly noted in September 2007). Also, IMHO the Wikipedia is not meant to be a listed of external sites, and the listings on the bottom need to be removed/cleaned up. Macboots (talk) 04:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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Training

From the article "Excessively harsh training methods, that might be tolerated by a sporting or working dog, will likely backfire on a Ridgeback." This statement requires further details, an explanation and annotations. What exactly does "backfire" mean. This is wording that I see frequently see when describing RR training but it requires further discussion or deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.220.196.194 (talk) 14:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

My Rhodesian Ridgeback is of course very loyal and protective and barks loudly when she's with me and people approach the house. I've noticed that when people loudly and harshly yell at her to be quiet she barks louder even if they are a family member scolding her. Instead I have tried reassuring her that I'm safe and/or introducing her to whoever is approaching if practical. This is MUCH more effective and I don't want to entirely discourage her protectiveness either as I am a 68 year old great grandmother who lives alone. She is very gentle with babies and children and sociable with other dogs. aggression is not a problem, she is just loyal and protective. She's a great companion and very loving dog. GinaGersonChoquette (talk) 22:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Bladder/kidney problems

I have a 5 year old Rhodesian Ridgeback/Shepherd mix spayed bitch who had one litter of 12 puppies. She is approximately 60 lbs and has had two episodes of blood tinged urine with fever and whining in pain/discomfort. She was treated by a vet with antibiotics, and given Tramadol for pain and an antiemetic (anti-nausea and vomiting). She was lethargic at the start of each course of meds but is back to her spunky, sweet, wonderful self and her urine appears normal with no apparent discomfort. My questions are about diet, health tendencies in this breed and prevention of further recurrent episodes. If anyone has any information or links to further reading that they can suggest I would be extremely grateful!! Thank you! Gina Choquette GinaGersonChoquette (talk) 22:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I'd recommend you check out the AKC website or breed-specific books. The breed club may also have health info. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 00:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)