Talk:Rhinoceros Party of Canada (1963–93)/Archive 1

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Gawd, the article (and I assume the party too) is darn hilarious! XD --Andylkl 08:41, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

This article is awesome! Djadek 21:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Didn't the Rhino Party also promise to move Parliament to Churchill so that the hot air emerging therefrom might keep the Port open all winter (it's on Hudson's bay, so it freezes up for half the year)? I remember hearing that part of the party platform in the 80s, but I can find no reference on it....

Almost all candidates had their own platforms so it would suprise me to find a few bits that were known only in one riding or another.--Marc pasquin 02:42, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)à

This is almost unbelievable.Canadianshoper 02:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Should the article be merged, since they do seem to be about the same party? Kerowyn 00:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

They are, and yes. Scott Paeth 07:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Per the article history, what happened was that a user moved the existing article at Rhinoceros Party of Canada to the French title, and then the following day a different user copied the text back into the original title without making any further changes. They weren't just two articles about the same thing; they were actually the same article at multiple titles. No merger necessary; I've just reimplemented the redirect (albeit from the French title to the English one instead). Bearcat 20:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

However, both articles have received a number of edits, so we're essentially working with two forks from that point. I looked at it about a week ago, and figured we could simply delete one, move the other overtop, delete that, and then selectively restore all but the move and copy-and-paste edits. I'm not certain if one can move an article overtop a deleted article, though. Mindmatrix 20:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Let me check into that. Bearcat 20:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Update: Although I see a few differences between the two, I don't see anything so massive that it couldn't just be cut-and-pasted back into the parent article. The edit history at the French title is still present, so we're not violating GFDL — just note in the edit summary that we're copying back a few changes whose history is available at Parti Rhinocéros. Bearcat 20:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Title

Wikipedia's basic rule is not necessarily "official name", it's "most common name in English". This is not a situation like Bloc Québécois or Parti Québécois, where the French name is used as is in both languages; this is a case where the French name and the English name were different from each other. Accordingly, per Wikipedia policy this article needs to be titled with the name by which the party is most commonly called in English. The French name can and should be mentioned in the article, but it shouldn't be the primary title. Bearcat 20:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Platform promises

I'm becoming increasingly concerned that some people may be padding the list with things that sound like they could have been, but never actually were, Rhino platform promises. Can anybody actually provide documented proof of the following?

1. reducing the speed of light because it's much too fast
2. paving Thunder Bay to make a parking lot for Toronto (and specifically, why did this replace the more easily verifiable promise to pave Manitoba?)
3. providing higher education by building taller schools
4. making all sidewalks out of rubber to prevent inebriated people from hurting themselves when they fall down
5. abolishing pumping oil out of the ground as that oil is there to keep the earth moving smoothly on its axis and if you withdraw the oil, the whole thing will grind to a halt
6. abolishing the environment because it's too hard to keep clean and it takes up so much space
7. adopting the British system of driving on the left; this was to be gradually phased in over five years with large trucks first, then buses, eventually including small cars and bicycles last
8. exploiting acid rain as an electrical energy source by placing dissimilar-metal electrodes in Canadian swimming pools in order to use them as batteries
9. making Canadians stronger by putting steroids in the water
10. putting the West Edmonton Mall on wheels and rolling it to areas of the country suffering from economic depression
11. annexing Greenland and creating a cartel with other northern nations in order to sell icebergs to the Saudi's, the cartel would be called "Icepec"
12. digging a canal from coast to coast, by hand, to reduce unemployment; and then, leveling the Rocky Mountains and using the canal to transport the material east to fill in the Great Lakes, in order to expand Canada's landmass (Note: I could be wrong, I suppose, but this one really sounds more to me like somebody's own weird attempt to replicate a Rhino-style promise than like something they ever actually proposed.)

There are even a couple of blog entries out there which list some of these very promises as unverifiable while confirming that some of the others were actually made by the party. Bearcat 05:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I understand your concern, Bearcat, as it is would be likely that someone would add to this list in the spirit of fun. On the other hand, I think it is also likely that individual candidates added their own ideas to the platform as they went along. I doubt that the party required strict and unwavering adherence to a "grey book" of party policy. See this pdf of a campaign pamphlet issued by Judi Skuce, Rhino candidates in Beaches (electoral district) in 1984: File:Judiskucepamphlet2.pdf. It seems to contain many of these ideas. By the way, do you know what the copyright status is of campaign materials? Are they fair use? Ground Zero | t 13:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

As long as we quote and cite, I'm confident they'd qualify as fair use in an NPOV article about the political party. Bearcat 21:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering if I'd be able to post it on WIkiSource and link to it from here. Ground Zero | t 22:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I specifically remember a promise to build a bridge to Japan. Does anyone know about this one?Roger 20:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I specifically remember the speed of light one, and rubber sidewalks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.254.254 (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Satan, or Sa Tan

There are numerous newspaper articles out today indicating that Salmi has changed his name to either Satan or Sa Tan. Does anyone know which one is accurate? Mindmatrix 16:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• Uh - Sa Tan - I saw a photo of Salmi biting the court documents in one newspaper story. Forget which. WilyD 00:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
• The neorhino.ca site spells it as "Sa Tan" as well. 130.126.146.60 19:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Interesting. But our citation is a CBC article that clearly shows his name as being changed to "Satan." For now, I've reverted the article back to using that name, since that's what the current citation shows. If anyone has a better cite that shows his name is indeed "Sa Tan," they should replace the current one and re-revert the article back to "Sa Tan." 71.7.228.245 (talk) 14:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
• I've found a few articles that indicate it is indeed "Sa Tan". Several court cases also list "appearances" or "petitioner" as "Sa Tan", although the documents includes a space which is not clearly discerned. See SA TAN versus THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER OF BRITISH COLUMBIA and SA TAN versus GOVERNMENT OF THE YUKON TERRITORY. More info here. The CBC seems to be wrong on this one, didn't fact check, or most likely, was foiled by an inadvertent correction by a spell-checker. Mindmatrix 15:44, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Unsourceable

I've moved all the election promises I've been unable to source here

• reducing the speed of light because it's much too fast
• offering to retrain those constituents who want to become illiterate by enrolling them in a state educational institutions
• legalising pot. And pans. And spatulas. And other kitchen utensils
• building sloping roads and bicycle paths across the country so that Canadians could "coast from coast to coast"
• making all sidewalks out of rubber to prevent inebriated people from hurting themselves when they fall down
• responding to the energy crisis, reducing energy costs for transportation by moving the cities of Montréal 50 km west and Toronto 50 km east
• abolishing pumping oil out of the ground as that oil is there to keep the earth moving smoothly on its axis and if you withdraw the oil, the whole thing will grind to a halt
• replacing the Canadian Forces with clones of Vladislav Tretiak
• moving the Rockie mountains province to province so that everyone can get a chance to go skiing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.11.123.45 (talk) 02:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• making bubble gum the national currency, so that it could be inflated or deflated at will
• Making the pop bottle the official currency of Canada as the value went up, not down
• Demolishing the Rockies and using the resulting gravel to make a national nature trail
• breeding a mosquito that would only hatch in January so that "the little buggers will freeze to death"
• counting the Thousand Islands to make sure none were missing
• running more than one candidate per riding as an MP's salary is certainly enough to support more than one person
• exploiting acid rain as an electrical energy source by placing dissimilar-metal electrodes in Canadian swimming pools in order to use them as batteries
• making Canadians stronger by putting steroids in the water
• moving the Vatican to Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville, Quebec to promote tourism
• putting the West Edmonton Mall on wheels and rolling it to areas of the country suffering from economic depression
• turning the Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine tunnel in Montreal into a free carwash by poking holes in the ceiling
• transforming the Montreal Olympic Stadium into a gigantic beluga aquarium
• drafting the Queen Mother to sew up the hole in the ozone layer
• building giant domes over several conservative neighbourhoods to keep the dinosaurs, both real and political, in.
• eventually build a dome over Canada to prevent damage from oncoming stars
• annexing Greenland and creating a cartel with other northern nations in order to sell icebergs to the Saudis; the cartel would be called "Snopec"
• digging a canal from coast to coast, by hand, to reduce unemployment; and then, leveling the Rocky Mountains and using the canal to transport the material east to fill in the Great Lakes, in order to expand Canada's landmass.
• impose an "import quota on lousy winters -- Canadians are sick of being God's frozen people. It's time to get back to the four basic seasons: salt, pepper, mustard, and vinegar."
• include the word "fun" in Acts of Parliament, Acts of Provincial Legislatures, and Bylaws of municipalities, from which it was apparently conspicuously absent.
• Build a dome over the Annapolis Valley so they can grow bananas

This might work as a source (see bottom of page), it's in french, but that shouldn't be much of a problem. Samuell 22:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

From the mid or late 1980s, I also recall:

• a candidate asking his mom to sew up the hole in the ozone layer
• extending the St. Laurence to the prairies so water could be shipped in next time there is a drought

--Stéphane Charette (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I enjoyed this page of the Rhinoceros Party, which I remember with great fondness. My brother Ted (not too) Sharp is mentioned. He ran against Flora MacDonald in Kingston and the Thousand Islands, with the slogan "Fauna, not Flora". I've tried to make some corrections to the section about him, but my edits are removed. One point that is (correctly) mentioned above: all Rhino candidates were responsible for their own platforms, leading to the huge number of planks and promises. Here are the changes I'd like to see made to the mention of my brother. One is his nickname, which he tells me was "not too Sharp", instead of "not so Sharp". The second is his promise to promote the use of nuclear power by storing nuclear waste in the Senate, pointing out "they've been storing political waste there for years." The third is mentioned above and was deleted due to lack of evidence: Ted was running in Kingston and the Thousand Islands, and proposed counting the Thousand Islands to make sure none were missing. He had one more plank, relevant at the time because of the recent formation of the Crown Corporation Petrocan. He advocated the formation of Canbanan, to foster Canadian self-sufficiency in banana production and to make sure the country was not held to ransom by an international cartel of banana republics. I wrote a letter to the Vancouver Sun about this; they published it with the title: Can Canbanan can banana ban plan? Iharassphd (talk) 03:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

You need to to provide sources. See Wikipedia:Verifiability Samuell Lift me up or put me down 21:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I found proof of the 1000 Islands recount promise in a Whig-Standard article, January 22, 1980, page 3. (Iharassphd (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC))

Thanks. Samuell Lift me up or put me down 22:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

While I don't have a source for the promise to immediately demand an election if they ever formed the government, this is similar to another (unsourced) election promise of theirs. This other promise was to, if one of their candidates was elected, demand an immediate recount of the ballots because they wouldn't believe the results.

Anyway, with the disappearance of the Rhinos, the Canadian political scene is much less interesting. 74.210.11.238 (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

GA quick fail

1. Logo doesn't have the appropriate license. 2. There's at least one clarify tag. 3. Complete lack of images pretty much. GreenJoe 01:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Not that I think that this deserves to pass, at least from a quick glance, but not one of those three things meets the quick fail criteria. There has to be more than one clarify tag for a quick fail. #3 doesn't even make sense - there's two images, not to mention that the GA criteria explicitly states that images are not required for a Good Article. I think the nominator should nominate again if they feel up to it, so that they can get a proper review. It might not pass, but it deserves a full going over. Cheers, CP 02:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, the logo does have the appropriate licence, so I'm not sure what to say to that. The fair use rationale is simply a holdover from before I confirmed my suspicions about the licence. WilyD 13:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed the clarify tag, as I couldn't determine what needed to be clarified. WilyD 13:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Images ... there might not be much to be done about this. WilyD 13:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that it be renominated again, as the previous review was absolutely inappropriate. I can't promise that it'd pass but, if you renominate it, I'll review it properly on Saturday. Cheers, CP 16:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be a discrepancy with the 1968 election results. According to this article, there were 2 candidates with a total of 5,802 votes. One of the candidates was Robert Charlebois, who received 354 votes. The other candidate must have received 5,448 votes. The only other candidate to receive exactly that number of votes was Raymond-J Bériault, a Progressive Conservative candidate. JimmyVermeer (talk) 22:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Rhino Party as a federal party, 2010

It appears that the Rhinoceros Party has been re-registered in the place of the old neorhino.ca moniker. Just a heads-up. -- Zblewski|talk  15:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It is a different party and has a different page - see Rhinoceros Party. Outback the koala (talk) 23:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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