Talk:Revolutions of 1917–1923

Liberal designation

I've removed the designation of "liberal revolution" from before "February revolution" because: 1. the term "liberal revolution" is rather ill-defined 2. the revolution was actually acted out by a coalition of liberals and socialists --HistoryNature 09:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think that the term is reasonably well defined, and I plan to write an article on it at some point. The designation comes from its liberal aims, not from the political backgrounds of those who acted it out. However, I'll not re-link it until we have an article explaining this to link to. Warofdreams talk 00:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It should also be noted that it was a failure for the most part

Liberal? Try Pinko. German Revolution was a failure, same in Hungary and Finland. China, Ireland, Mexico and Mongolia shouldn't be listed. The polish soviet war should be mentioned as well after the bolsheviks victory in russia YankeeRoman(70.187.232.85 00:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC))

Would you care to explain your reasons for this view? Warofdreams talk 03:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure. China wasn't really a commie revolution. Either was Ireland. Mexico same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.75.194.50 (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Nor was the February Revolution. The article is about the general revolutionary wave, and should include all the revolutions seen as part of it, regardless of the nature of the individual revolutions. Warofdreams talk 18:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

'Imperialist" should be taken out

It should be taken out of the red army victory over the whites. The red beat the whites. Not the 'imperialist' forces. The intervention there was modest in the extreme. It was more economic intervention than anything else.

Yankeeroman(24.75.194.50 17:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC))

I deleted the section about Greece but somehow it re-appeared. As a Greek myself I am not familiar with any revolution in Greece between 1917 and 1923. I don't understand what national schism (which was a conflict on whether Greece should remain neutral or join the war) or the war against the Ottoman Empire have to do with this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymanos arc (talk • contribs) 21:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Why Greece is included?

I don't understand why events in Greece are included in this article. As a Greek myself I am not familiar with any revolution between 1917 and 1923. Can someone explain to me what national schism and war with the Ottoman Empire have to do with the post-Russian revolution revolutioniary wave? I think the Greek section should be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymanos arc (talk • contribs) 16:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I dropped unsourced section on Greece--no reliable source calls it a "revolution". Rjensen (talk) 03:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Map inaccuracy

The map of "Europe 1919" linked with this article shows a quite unusual geographical division: The Russian city of Murmansk and a big part of the Kola peninsula are shown belonging to Finland! As far as I know (as a Finn), Finland ever only possessed a small piece of land along the boarder of Norway that reached the Arctic Ocean. This land was gained as a result of the 1920 the Treaty of Tartu. Please correct me if I am wrong.

130.233.60.61 (talk) 06:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC) Otto Sormunen

Is it showing some claim that Finland made in advance of the 1920 treaty? Murmansk was occupied by the allied forces at the time, so it seems plausible. Warofdreams talk 12:39, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality

Are we going to continue study world history after the Stalin's brief course of history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine

Ukraine is not included, but, considering the nature of the article, it is a good thing. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Turkish War of Independence

What is with the Turkish War of Independence Braganza (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Delete info

Should unreferenced info be deleted now?Mangokeylime (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The whole are article is pretty much unreferenced, so I guess that we can keep it as it is until someone find appropriate references and expands it.--Catlemur (talk) 18:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Russia "Surrendered"?

As of 2018-08-19 the section on "Russia" within "Communist revolutions in Europe" says that, "The ascendant communist party soon surrendered to Imperial Germany."

I object to the unqualified use of the word "surrender". It's accurate to say that, "The ascendant communist party soon withdrew from the war with some territorial concessions by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk" of 1918-03-03, and I substituted this alternative verbiage.

If "The ascendant communist party" actually surrendered, it's difficult to see how they could have defeated the White Russians supported by an invasion of foreign powers, notably Czechoslovakia, the UK, the US, France, Japan, Greece, Estonia, Serbia, Italy, Poland, Romania and China in Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War. DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Why delete "Albona Republic"?

@Nonamme3: Why shouldn't the "**Albona Republic (1921)" be listed after the "**Labin Republic (1921)" under "Fascist and anti-Fascist violence in Italy (1919–1926)"? I've not heard of it before, but the lede to this article says, "The uprisings were mainly socialist or anti-colonial in nature and were mostly short-lived". The Albona Republic seems consistent with that description. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 17:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy: I removed Albona republic because "Albona" (Italian) is the other name for "Labin" (Croatian). Nonamme3 (talk) 15:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Nonamme3: Thanks for the explanation. Shouldn't the Albona Republic article at least say, "(Also 'Labin Republic'; ..."? And shouldn't the title of that article be changed to 'Labin Republic', since that's the Croatian name, and that location is part of Croatia today? If not, then shouldn't the reference here be to the "Albona Republic" rather than the "Labin Republic"? Otherwise, it looks like Wikipedia was written by a committee, which is feuding over which term to use -- and the Capulets are in charge of one article while the Montegues are in charge of the other? DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

concessions by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

@Pabth0s0n: Can we omit any adjective before "territorial concessions by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk"? You changed "some concessions" to "large concessions". Compared to the land mass of Russia prior to the war from Finland to the Bering Strait, one could argue that the concessions were not particularly large. DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Why delete "Persian Socialist Soviet Republic"?

@Braganza: Thanks for adding the Jungle Movement of Gilan (1915/17–1920).

Why did you delete the Persian Socialist Soviet Republic (1920–1921)? It looks to my naive eye like it's belongs in this article. DavidMCEddy (talk) 07:15, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Please remove "Pol"RevKom from the list of revolutions.

Revolution means a revolt of local people, not a foreign attempt at enforcing it. "Polish" Revolutionary Committee was not a revolution, but foreign usurpation. Being listed in this article it sounds as if Poles themselves revolted in favor of communism. Quite the contrary - Red Army was defeated by each and every Pole that could fight. There was no internal dissent, there was no dialogue. Poles proved to be antisocialist by pushing foreign red imperialism away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.10.68.123 (talk) 16:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Should Italy have its own section?

Currently, Italy is only considered as part of the section in Western Europe for a brief sentence. But I think it could have it's own section that goes into more detail on:

1.The Bienno Rosso given how it involved millions of people and brought a very real chance of Communist revolution to Italy.

2.The Italian Regency of Carnaro, which could be called a revolution in its own right (The Fiuman revolution?), as per Michael Ledeen's book "The First Duce" which refers to the events of Carnaro as a revolution at multiple points. In addition, Carnaro brough the Italian government to face various crisis' over the status of the city and perhaps even more significantly, there was a very real chance of an alliance between the Socialists in Italy and the Fiumanists in Carnaro (once again, as per Ledeen's book)

3. The March on Rome? If it could be considered a revolution is certainly contentious, but would absolutely deserve more mention due to its impact. Genabab (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Mexico as Non-Communist Revolution

There were many factions in the Mexican Revolution that expressed Communism, Anarchism, Socialism etc... as desired goals. Magonists, Zapatismo and the Villistas all thought for such things. Should Mexico also be included in Communist revolutions? Genabab (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Luxembourg

Luxembourg should be added. I don't know how to add new countries to the map but they did face multiple rebellions durring this time. LuxembourgLover (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Alsace-Lorraine

Whilst Alsace-Lorraine was indeed a part of Germany up until the end of the first world war, wouldn't it make sense to color France or at least the Alsace region red as well?

It may count as a revolution from within the collapsing German Empire and could already be regarded as such due to Germany being colored red on the map, I still think that it should be colored red due to it's geographic location not matching the era of the map. AnarchistElizabeth (talk) 02:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)