Talk:Resilient control systems/Archives/2014

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Does the reference in the introduction really make sense? Shouldn't that be somewhere else? -- Wrigjl —Preceding undated comment added 05:53, 3 July 2009‎.

Close paraphrasing

Since this article was put up for an AFD it has been substantially rewritten, however I think it may still be too closely paraphrased to free of copyright concerns. The original document

• C.G. Rieger, D.I. Gertman, M.A. McQueen, Resilient Control Systems: Next Generation Design Research, 2nd IEEE Conference on Human System Interaction, Catania, Italy, May, 2009
• Which is online at:
• "Resilient Control Systems: Next Generation Design Research (HSI 2009)" (PDF). Idaho National Laboratory (INL). May 2009. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |couathors= ignored (help)But it a carries a caveat "This is a preprint of a paper intended for publication in a journal or proceedings. Since changes may be made before publication, this preprint should not be cited or reproduced without permission of the author."

Now let us assume that the document is under a PD licence from the U.S. Government. It is being put forward that it has been sufficiently rewritten that we no longer need to display attribution. Some editors (none of whom have commented at the AFD) are convinced that if a document is derived from an initial copy then it is a derived work and if it were under standard copyright they would argue that the derived work was a copyright violation unless the original creator give permission. As this is a PD document I do not think that does not applys, but such editors would say we have a moral obligation to place a general attribution on this work no matter how much it changes.

I have a more practical concern WP:PLAGARISM#Close paraphrasing say

Usually Wikipedia editors summarize sources, and as a rule the fewer the sources used to create the summary, the more difficult it can be to summarize a text accurately without plagiarising it. However providing the summary is made in good faith and the appropriate citations are given, then these issues are usually easy to resolve on the talk page of the article.

My concern is that because this started off as a copy, the rewrite has not altered the structure of the article and as such it is still a close paraphrased article that needs general attribution and inline citations to the original article. I will give three obvious examples

Three example, section structure, ordering of the inline citations, and paragraph/sentence ordering

external paper section headers I. INTRODUCTION II. DEFINING RESILIENCE III. AREAS OF RESILIENCE A. Human Systems B. Complex Networks C. Cyber Awareness D. Data Fusion IV. RESEARCH AREAS A. State awareness B. Resilient design V. TASK AREAS VI. CONCLUSION References Older Wikipedaia copy INTRODUCTION DEFINING RESILIENCE AREAS OF RESILIENCE Human Systems Complex Networks and Networked Control Systems Cyber Awareness Data Fusion REFERENCES Current Wikipedia article 1 Introduction 2 Defining resilience 3 Areas Of resilience 3.1 Human systems 3.2 Cyber security 3.3 Complex networks and networked control systems 3.4 Data Fusion 4 References In other words the structure of the Wikipedia article is nearly identical to the original paper. External Papers References [1] Critical Infrastructure Protection, Department of Homeland Security Faces Challenges in Fulfilling Cybersecurity Responsibilities, GAO-05-434, May 2005. [2] E. Hollnagel, D. D. Woods, and N. Leveson, Resilience Engineering: Concepts and Precepts, Ashgate Publishing, Aldershot Hampshire, UK, 2006. [3] F.-Y. Wang and D. Liu, Networked Control Systems: Theory and Applications, Springer Verlag, London, UK, 2008. [4] S. M. Mitchell and M. S, Mannan, "Designing Resilient Engineered Systems," Chemical Engineering Progress, Vol. 102, No. 4, pp. 39-45, April 2006. [5] Proceedings of the 1st International Symposium on Resilient Control Systems, Idaho Falls, ID, 2008. [6] S.P. Meyn, Control Techniques for Complex Networks, Cambridge University Press, New York, NY, 2008. [7] H. B. Mitchell, Multi-Sensor Data Fusion, Springer-Verlag, Berlin, 2007 Current internal references ^ D. Wei, K. Ji, Resilient industrial control system (RICS): Concepts, formulation, metrics, and insights, 3rd International Symposium Resilient Control Systems (ISRCS), pp. 15-22, August, 2010 ^ J. Wing, ‘’Cyber-Physical Systems Research Charge‘’, Cyber-Physical Systems Summit, St Louis, Missouri, April, 2008 ^ B. C. Kuo, Digital Control Systems, Oxford University Press, June 1995 ^ S. M. Rinaldi, J. P. Peerenboom and T. K. Kelly, "Identifying, Understanding and Analyzing Critical Infrastructure Interdependencies", IEEE Control Systems Magazine, pp. 11–25, December 2001 ^Y[1]Critical Infrastructure Protection, Department of Homeland Security Faces Challenges in Fulfilling Cybersecurity Responsibilities, GAO-05-434, May 2005 ^ C.G. Rieger, D.I. Gertman, M.A. McQueen, ‘’Resilient Control Systems: Next Generation Design Research’’, 2nd IEEE Conference on Human System Interaction, Catania, Italy, May, 2009 Y[2] E. Hollnagel, D. D. Woods, and N. Leveson, Resilience Engineering: Concepts and Precepts, Ashgate Publishing, Aldershot Hampshire, UK, 2006 ^ K. S. Trivedi, S. K. Dong, and R. Ghosh, Resilience in Computer Systems and Networks, IEEE/ACM International Conference on Computer-Aided Design-Digest of Technical Papers, pp. 74-77, December, 2009 ^ P. Cholda, J. Tapolcai, T. Cinkler, K. Wajda, A. Jajszczyk, ‘’Quality of resilience as a network reliability characterization Tool’’, IEEE Network, 23(2), pp. 11-19, 2009 ^ J. F. Meyer, ‘’Defining and Evaluating Resilience: A Performability Perspective’’, presentation at International Workshop on Performability Modeling of Computer and Communication Systems, September, 2009 Y[3] F.Y. Wang and D. Liu, Networked Control Systems: Theory and Applications, Springer-Verlag, London, UK, 2008 Y[4]S. M. Mitchell and M. S, Mannan, Designing Resilient Engineered Systems, Chemical Engineering Progress, Vol. 102, No. 4, pp. 39-45, April 2006 Y[5] Proceedings of the 1st International Symposium on Resilient Control Systems, [1], Idaho Falls, ID, 2008 ^ C. G. Rieger, Notional examples and benchmark aspects of a resilient control system, 3rd International Symposium on Resilient Control Systems, pp. 64-71, August, 2010 ^ S. Jackson, Architecting Resilient Systems: Accident Avoidance and Survival and Recovery from Disruptions, John Wiley, Hoboken, November, 2009 ^ W. L. Luyben, Process Modelling, Simulation and Control for Chemical Engineers, McGraw-Hill, August, 1989 ^ Critical Infrastructure Resilience: Final Report and Recommendations, National Infrastructure Advisory Council, Department of Homeland Security, 2009 ^ Analysis of Prototypical Jurisdiction & Infrastructure Critical Facility Resiliencies, Advanced Research Institute Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Arlington, Virginia, 2009 ^ C.G. Rieger, D.I. Gertman, M.A. McQueen, ‘’Resilient Control Systems: Next Generation Design Research’’, 2nd IEEE Conference on Human System Interaction, Catania, Italy, May, 2009 ^ Proceedings of the International Symposium on Resilient Control Systems, 2008-2011 ^ J. Lin, S. Sedigh, A.R. Hurson, An Agent-Based Approach to Reconciling Data Heterogeneity in Cyber-Physical Systems, 25th IEEE International Symposium on Parallel and Distributed Processing Workshops and Phd Forum (IPDPSW), pp. 93-103, May, 2011 ^ High-Confidence Medical Devices: Cyber-Physical Systems for 21st Century Health Care, Networking and Information Technology Research and Development (NITRD), February 2009 ^ E. Hollnagel, J. Pariès, D. Woods and J. Wreathall, Resilience Engineering in Practice, Ashgate, London, 2010 ^ M. Schrauf, M. Simon, E. Schmidt and W. Kincses, Assessing Drivers' Fatigue State under Real Traffic Conditions using EEG Alpha Spindles, Sixth International Driving Symposium on Human Factors in Driver Assessment, Training and Vehicle Design, June, 2011 ^ S. E. Kerick, K. Mcdowell, '’Understanding Brain, Cognition, and Behavior in Complex Dynamic Environments,5th International Conference on Foundations of Augmented Cognition, 2009 ^ N. Adam, DHS Workshop on Future Directions in Cyber-Physical Systems Security: Final Report, January, 2010 ^ E. Blasch, M. Pribilski, B. Daughtery, B. Roscoe, and J. Gunsett, “Fusion Metrics for Dynamic Situation Analysis,” Proc. SPIE 5429, April, 2004 ^ P. Verissimo, Challenges of Architecting Resilient Critical Information Infrastructures, presentation at ENISA-FORTH Summer School on Network and Information Security, September, 2008 ^ R.L. Boring, Reconciling resilience with reliability: The complementary nature of resilience engineering and human reliability analysis, 53rd Annual Meeting of the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society, pp. 1589-1593, October, 2009 ^ S. Redwine, Introduction to Modeling Tools for Software Security, DHS US-CERT Build Security In Website, February, 2007 ^ H. G. Goldman, Building Secure, Resilient Architectures for Cyber Mission Assurance, MITRE, 2010 ^ M. A. McQueen, W. F. Boyer, Deception used for Cyber Defense of Control Systems, 2nd IEEE Conference on Human System Interaction, Catania, Italy, May, 2009 ^ V. Vyatkin, G. Zhabelova and M. Ulieru, Toward Digital Ecologies:Intelligent Agent Networks Controlling Interdependent Infrastructures, 1st IEEE Conference on Smart Grid Communications, October, 2010 ^ Alderson and Doyle, ‘’Contrasting views of Complexity and their Implications for Network-Centric Infrastructures’’,Transactions of IEEE Systems, Man and Cybernetics, Special Issue on Cyber-Physical Ecosystems, July 2010. Y[6] S.P. Meyn, Control Techniques for Complex Networks, Cambridge University Press, New York, NY, 2008 ^ A. A. Cardenas, S. Amin, and S. S. Sastry, ‘’ Secure control: Towards survivable cyber-physical systems’’, 28th International Conference on Distibuted Computing Systems Workshops, pp. 495-500, 2008 ^ S. D. J. McArthur et. al., “Multi-Agent Systems for Power Engineering Applications—Part I: Concepts, Approaches, and Technical Challenges,” IEEE Transactions on Power Systems, pp. 1743-1752, November, 2007 ^ S. D. J. McArthur et. al., “Multi-Agent Systems for Power Engineering Applications—Part II: Technologies, Standards, and Tools for Building Multi-agent Systems,” IEEE Transactions on Power Systems, pp. 1753- 1759, November, 2007 All but the last reference in the original paper are in the rewrite in the same order as in the original paper. Now for a diff between [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Resilient_control_systems&action=historysubmit&diff=461988964&oldid=460977983 Revision as of 17:57, 16 November 2011 Jojalozzoand and Revision as of 20:03, 22 November 2011 Mild Bill Hiccup] There a lot more than this but I have pulled out an obvious one to make the point: external Current research in resilience has focused in two notable areas, organizational and information technology. Organizational resilience considers the ability of an organization to survive in the face of threats, including the prevention or mitigation of unsafe, hazardous or detrimental conditions that threaten its very existence 16 November 2011 Current research in resilience has focused in two notable areas, organizational and information technology. Organizational resilience considers the ability of an organization to survive in the face of threats, including the prevention or mitigation of unsafe, hazardous or detrimental conditions that threaten its very existence 22 November 2011 Research in resilience engineering over the last decade has focused in two areas, organizational and information technology. Organizational resilience considers the ability of an organization to adapt and survive in the face of threats, including the prevention or mitigation of unsafe, hazardous or compromising conditions that threaten its very existence

Given that the overall structure of the paper has been kept after the recent edit and the structure of the sentence and their placing in the sample paragraph I pulled out has not been dramatically altered, I conclude that although the article is no longer a direct copy of the original it is still too close to the original not to need Attribution in the References section and inline citations to the original source for all of the text copied and then recently changed.

As there are more experienced editor than I who deal with issues like this I will place a request on Wikipedia:Copyright problems so that an informed editor can give a second opinion. -- PBS (talk) 00:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Concerning tone

I hate to raise further debate on the page after it's successfully survived and AfD debate already, and especially as Crieger went through so much trouble to respond to concerns about the content (it's nice when AfD leads to an improved article instead of just acrimony), but I think there are still some issues here. Specifically, the language employed is not terribly accessible and lacks encylopedic tone. Even coming from a field of academia where such an overly-wrought and self-referential style is employed, there were several statements in there that I had to read twice to parse correctly. I think for the average Wikipedia user it would be difficult to determine what this article is about. There are contextual uses of terminology which are likely to confuse readers who are not operating from within the same context as the author. The first sentence is an excellent example: "Resilient Control Systems extend the evolving definition of resilience for critical infrastructure to the nervous system that provides the industrial applications." Now, I can gather by the context provided by the reference to the Patriot Act in the next sentence, that this refers to theory on preserving critical physical infrastructure in the event of threatening circumstances, and that the "nervous system" involved is a reference to the backbone of information technology and institutions which regulates this infrastructure. However, there must a plainer, more obvious and less context-dependent way to write this, and using metaphors which rely on terms which have a much more common plain-face interpretation is the wrong approach for Wikipedia. Unfortunately, much of the content of this article is like that, using terminology which is unwieldy in the context of providing information to as many users as possible regardless of their previous familiarity with the subject matter -- which is where the language employed in Wikipedia articles should focus.

There are a number of reasons why Wikipedia policy often advises against researchers contributing articles connected to their professional work and being too close to the subject matter is one of the big ones. Usually this manifests itself in the author being unable to keep perspective or work in conjunction with other editors; neither of these is the case with Crieger, obviously, as he has worked hard to address past complaints. However, he has made the mistake of writing this page very much in the same language as he would if providing a report to others in his field who understand the context of his references, who have worked with and share that academic/bureaucratic dialect, if you will, as applied to a very specific field -- and to most people outside of that narrow context, I think this article is likely to read as awkward at best and, for a great many others, as absolute word soup. Wikipedia articles should not sound like they were taken verbatim from a sociology major's doctoral thesis, no offense meant to Crieger.

There's also a concern of WP:COI; if this is Crieger's own research then there's definitely a conflict of interest in his placing it here as factual content. In general, this is not as bad as it might otherwise be simply because, once you get beyond the needlessly overcomplicated language, it doesn't say much that you would think is controversial. Still, a researcher referencing his own documented perspective as established theory is a little wiki-ethically grey, if you ask me. Snow (talk) 05:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

New lead section

Crieger, I've reworded the lead section to try to give you an idea of what I think the overall tone should be moving towards. As you can see, I'm not really veering away from technical language especially, but just using a more widely-accessible form of it. If you could proof that section to make sure I haven't made any statements that are grossly inaccurate with regards to what you feel defines a resilient control system, I'd appreciate it. Snow (talk) 12:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

First image

Crieger, as regards the image you've included in your most recent edit which concerns the elements which influence the resilience of a control system, the text is a little too small to be legible to some users, I think. I tried reverting to your original upload, but for some reason the formatting was screwed up when I tried to scale it to the page, and the text disappeared altogether! So I reverted again and the page now uses your second upload once more. Would it be possible to get another version which is larger than the current version but will maintain it's text under formatting? If you uploaded a .png, perhaps try formatting the file as .jpg (but of the appropriate size) before uploading. Snow (talk) 01:46, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Done.--Crieger (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)