Talk:Renewed Order of the Temple

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To do

Go through the Caillet book again to add the boatload of details to incorporate (a decade of minutae and schisms)
Survey for more French sources about this
See if I missed anything in English sources
Is there anything about the non-OTS branch post 1997? Are they still around? I couldn't find anything

PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:49, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

which English sources are you working from? I will also try to consult. Unfortunately the English sources are little, and many of the ones that do exist are little reliable.

The ORT, based on what I can gather went dormant around 2015 if I am not mistaken. The last Commandry to be put to sleep was in Brazil. 193.207.102.222 (talk) 00:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regrettably the only time neo-Templar anything made it into English scholarship was related to the Order of the Solar Temple affair so what I’m mostly working with is Massimo Introvigne’s 1996 Religion article “Ordeal by Fire” (which is reprinted in the Lewis book) and his 2000 chapter, “The Magic of Death”, in the Wessinger edited collection. The first parts of these works go into neo-Templar history. They’re overviews on that so they probably leave things out but I think they are quite good. The Chryssides chapter and the Hall & Schuyler chapter in that book also have a decent bit (though the latter is mostly about Breyer). Those sources are broad overviews in the context of the Solar Temple. Other sources on the OTS tend to have assorted bits on the ORT but not a lot.

There may be other things but if there is I haven’t found it. Most other English sources on the Solar Temple are basically reciting Introvigne when it comes to neo-Templarism, with incorporation of various other sources. Non-English sources can be used they are just harder for me to access, and when there are equal English sources those are preferred (but there are few English sources here).

The best French source I have access to is Caillet 1997, which is very very thorough and probably the most accurate source but mainly focuses on ORT. But it gives so much background information it can be used to cover a lot of other groups. There’s a lot I need to incorporate from that book. Frustratingly, probably because he was covering it in an OTS context, Caillet anonymized many of the relevant last names. I’ve found bits on ORT in a few other French books on orders like this, but they’re all dated to the 80s (though they would be useful to balance it as it was pre-OTS disaster)

If they ceased a few years ago that would make sense but it would be nice if we could find anything between 1997 and now. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also Les Marges du christianisme, which I also have. It's an encyclopedic dictionary but it has an entire book-length introduction section that has a section on neo-Templarism (again by Caillet) + entries on the people involved. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]