Talk:Remi Korchemny

Why was the page I was editing deleted?

My work has been deleted by some rude and uninformed person that doesn’t understand how can someone be so great. That person that deleted my work left me a rude message that the page I am editing “is about Korchemny and not scrapbook about people he coached!”

The thing is that he didn’t coach 5 athlete as was listed in previous version but thousands of athletes in his 63 (yes, sixty three) years of coaching career. And vast majority of them are Olympic and world champions in their sport. What is wrong about that I am simply stating the facts? I am absolutely FURIOUS about the nonsense messages I have received which includes “ocean of unsolicited information” What, excuse me? How do you know information which was there before my editing is valid? Radspeed (talk) 05:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I need someone to respond to my message immediately! Radspeed (talk) 06:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Radspeed, came here from the Teahouse. The list of accomplishments don't seem to have references attached on where you get the info from. I read your full Teahouse statement; you stated that you got the information from Korchemny himself. That is not welcomed on Wikipedia; what we're looking for are reliable, secondary sources independent to the subject (they are not affiliated with him in any way shape of form). It could be possible that Korchemny faked what he told you, you can't guarantee the validity of his sayings directly but rather fact-checking it first, so that's a concern there. There's a lot of edits you made in this article, so I can't speak about them all, but I'm talking about the lists of medals here. It is not cited by any source. I am still figuring out the meaning of "scrapbook," though, please clarify it User talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63.

I also need you to clarify this edit here. Is there a reason on why you remove the whole section?

I could not talk about the possible more stuff since you seem to be a big contributor looking at the history log, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this. GeraldWL ✉ 06:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Just to add, you explicitly promised that you have no conflict of interest. Seeing you removing the BALCO section, it's clear that you don't want poeple to see bad things about him. I suggest you declare your conflict of interest at your userpage and talk with civility to User talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63. I also suggest you make other constructive edits in Wikipedia, in which you don't have a COI with. There are COI edits that are useful-- this is not to exclude COI editors-- but sometimes there are some that are just not that welcomed. GeraldWL ✉ 07:14, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with Gerald' comment about edits be people with COI not being welcomed. People with a conflict of interest are asked to be transparent about their relationship, and also meet a high standard for documenting (referencing) their edits, but are not prohibited from editing. David notMD (talk) 07:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I think you misinterpreted my words. I'm talking about promotional content. They are not welcomed. But I added a warning that hey, sometimes COI can be beneficial. But it seems to not be the case in this article, regarding Radspeed's edit on the "BALCO scandal" section. GeraldWL ✉ 07:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree 100% that removing the BALCO text and refs was wrong for any editor and especially for one that has a COI. David notMD (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Sir,

I thank you for beefing so reasonable since person who took my hard work down was obviously not! There is numerous pictures and videos ALL OVER internet where Remi Korchemny is coaching all of those athletes so he did not tell me a fake information. It is the public information everyone can see on the internet. It is that these athletes speak highly about him how he coached them and is currently coaching them. His 63 years of coaching career is not accurately represented by 5-6 athletes mentioned. This man is a walking legend! The current page about Remi has maybe 2 sentences talking about his accomplishments and about 15 sentences about drugs use in sport. Is that what we all have to say about his currently 63 year long career?

Yes athletes and medals. Well, can you please check athlete names and social media. Some are there and some are not. I really don’t know how do we cite them all... For example, how do we cite all the athletes coach John Smith (track coach) has on his page? That is a big, big question. Did you see how many athletes coached are on coach John Smith‘s page? Do they all have a strong reference that he - John Smith coached them all? ....I personally know 100% for sure that he did Coach all those athletes but how do we prove that for Wikipedia purposes?

Regarding your question to clarify about “scrapbook” - some unknown person sent me a message that: “page is about Remi Korchemny and not a scrapbook about athletes he coached”. There was also another message sent to me something about “ocean of unsolicited information” which left me speechless! Those messages I consider extremely inappropriate because all I was doing was stating the facts. Even Remi Korchemny texted me today himself saying how - I know more about him than he does. To be specific: That was in regards of me listing that he coached a baseball player - Marlon Byrd (there is a video on YouTube and Remi coaching Marlon Byrd personally)

Yes, Remi has a PhD in exercise physiology. One of the reasons he coached at Stanford and US army, was chosen as a chairman of the USA track and field sprint development committee was because he was that educated. One of the references I listed was from IAAF published article of his and that’s where it is also states “Dr. Remi Korchemny”. That article is from year 1992. Please let me know if anything else so I can attempt to give you the best possible answer I can.

Some very mean person wrote the previous update and it was there for years. I decided to do finally Remi justice and he is so, so happy about it!

All my work, only to be eliminated in a split second by someone who doesn’t understand what is going on here but just judging by who knows what sort of values!

I am inviting you now to please let me know If there is anything I can do to provide you with any documents or information you can verify so that my hard work can be restored. Also, there is many many more athletes Remi coached, he can’t even remember! I am currently trying to find through friends about which Jamaican Olympic Athletes is that Remi coached for the Olympics held in Moscow in year 1980! There is a few of them... It was so long time ago, he can’t even remember! Plan is to contact his former athlete and our mutual friend, Mr. Brady Crain (I was planning to create Brady’s page myself since he doesn’t even have one and he beat Carl Lewis in 200m in 1984!)

Thank you for looking into this and possibly restoring justice!

P.S. OMG, OMG, OMG..... Radspeed (talk) 07:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

First, you don't have to call me Sir, I'm way young to be called "Sir." If you have sources that can verify his achievements, cite it. I assume the IP took your edits down because they are unsourced; not of any malicious reasoning, unless we can conclude as such. There are sometimes when an editor can be very frustrated with the absence of citations, sometimes its just so frustrating idk why. You can give sourced achievements, just-- like an editor stated at the Teahouse-- don't give an indiscriminate list of it, that is, only the achievements in which it has a Wikipedia article about it (you're free to think which is noteworthy, that's just how I'll fill it if I'm you). Anyways, welcome to Wikipedia! GeraldWL ✉ 08:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

PS: and what is it with the PS? GeraldWL ✉ 08:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I was a actively working on this page. There was a whole lot left to be done, corrected, added, including the long list of references, citations, etc, etc... So that it all does look credible. If you can see, I was working on it almost every day! I didn’t know that it all has to be done in some particular order. I was working on it... Now, to start everything from the beginning just so that it can all be removed again, at any point, by someone who believes I am some person of questionable moral character and then that someone decides to message me in what I consider rude manner... I’d rather not be messaged in a rude manner by someone who doesn’t even know me.... I don’t think this is for me... But thank you, you also tried to be useful.

Radspeed (talk) 08:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• The issues appear to have been largely answered and explained both here and at numerous other talk pages. In brief, WP:COI and lack of proper sourcing were/are major problems. Included in the content I deleted were phrases such as based out of San Francisco Bay Area is an American sprint coach/speed consultant and author of many speed development in athletes training articles, published in leading Sports Science magazines in the United States as well as Internationally (see references below) as well as author of the book: Innovations in Speed Development, an advanced model; Coached San Francisco 49ers during team's spring training camp, when the team won Superbowl back-to-back in 1988 and 1989 (XXIII and XXIV) under head coach Bill Walsh; Bill Romanowski (4 x Super Bowl Champion XXIII, XXIV, XXXII, XXXIII, 2 x Pro Bowl 1997, 1999); Brice Butler; Through his educational clinics and master classes, Korchemny has educated a vast number of coaches from various sports between years 1977 and 2003. There were long lists of athletes he coached, with summaries of their achievements. None of that is appropriate in tone or emphasis for an encyclopedia article. This isn't the place for a resume or a hagiography. The removal of the Balco content was whitewashing. When a new editor--or any editor--adds material like that and is unable to discern how inappropriate it is for an encyclopedic entry, there is a need to intervene. Under the circumstances, a high level warning for promotional editing was merited.

• The Balco story is probably, for better or worse, the most widely covered aspect of Mr. Korchemny's career. An encyclopedia must draw from published WP:RELIABLE sources, not the intent "I decided to do finally Remi justice and he is so, so happy about it!" Always good advice to a new user is the reminder to thoroughly read Wikipedia's policies, especially when you're coming here with an agenda, and to not begin by attempting a major overhaul of an article when you have a conflict of interest. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 13:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)