Talk:Remembrance of the Daleks

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Worth mentioning that (as far as the TV series is concerned) beyond Davros, I think this marks the first appearance of a totally non-standard dalek design, ie The Special Weapons Dalek (aka The Abomination) which can only be described as "a dalek with a bazooka"--81.174.244.104 01:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a mention of the Big Finish audio spin-off Counter Measures, in which Pamela Salem, Karen Ghidill and Simon Williams reprise their roles in this serial. --90.2.57.162 (talk) 07:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)Gérard Morvan[reply]

Destruction of Gallifrey

Because of the Doctor's comment about his people burning with the Daleks in Dalek [I'm assuming Gallifrey was destroyed along with Skaro (Remembrance of the Daleks)], should it be mentioned that Gallifrey was also apparently destroyed? -- Drax 23:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, that certainly wasn't the interpretation at the time, nor in the next decade or so. Indeed, the 1996 TV movie showed the Doctor, having picked up the Master's remains from an apparently non-destroyed Skaro, on his way to drop them off on Gallifrey. We don't really know much about the Time War, but the Doctor's description in The Parting of the Ways doesn't sound like the destruction of Skaro was part of the final battle. Some of the dialogue was cut in the broadcast version, but here's the speech from the shooting scripts:

I was there. The War between the Daleks and the Time Lords, with the whole of creation at stake. Think you've seen fighting, Jack? You've seen nothing. Two battle fleets. Millions of ships. Burning, and screaming. My people were destroyed, but they took the Daleks with them. I almost thought it was worth it.

I'd always assumed that the destruction of the planet Skaro was distinct from the near-annihilation of the Daleks and the Time Lords in the last battle of the Time War. I suppose you could make a reasonable argument that the Doctor's destruction of Skaro (or, more accurately, the Doctor tricking Davros into destroying Skaro) was part of the larger conflict, but saying that in a Wikipedia article would be original research. Based on on-screen evidence alone, we don't really know the connection between the destruction of Skaro and the destruction of Gallifrey. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Burning with the darleks doesn't mean burning with Skaro. Mloren (talk) 09:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cafe Scene Using EastEnders Set?

It looks spookily similar to me. Damiancorrigan 15:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Algebra of Ice

In the above-mentioned BBC book, the Foreman/Forman goof is explained in a sort of time tremor/distortion method of an attempted invasion of creatures taking the form of mathematical equations. Adding a reference to this, with a link to the book's article. This is backed up at the following url (still inexperienced, don't know how to add a source, if someone wouldn't mind adding that for me?): http://www.drwhoguide.com/whobbk68.htm 63.88.67.230 21:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the citation from the Doctor Who Reference Guide; it would probably also be good if someone who has a copy of the novel to hand could use {{cite book}} to add a citation from the novel itself. The DWRG is a great resource, but I think it's good to cite the primary source as well in a case like this. Belt and braces. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have the book, as this is one of the first stops I made after finishing it. What do you need from it? 63.88.67.230 21:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, all that I need is the page number(s) of the reference to the Foreman/Forman spelling. Every time I had used {{cite book}} in the past, it had been with the book in hand, and it didn't occur to me at first that as long as I had a resource with the ISBN, publication date and such, I didn't really need the physical book. If you want to add the page # yourself you can — just edit the section and add it after "page= " in the citation. Or if wading through the template is too intimidating, I'll do it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can muddle throught it Josiah, thanks. I'll likely add the page number when I get home from work. Cheers 63.88.67.230 22:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Josiah, just noticed, regarding that reference for Algebra cites a Cameron Dixon. Is this meant to be the author? The book lists Lloyd Rose on the cover, which is the pen name of Sarah Tonyn. SalemMacGourley 13:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Dixon is the author of the summary of the novel at the Doctor Who Reference Guide; there's also a reference to the book itself (with Lloyd Rose as the author), which I had unfortunately put in the wrong place. Thanks for drawing my attention to it. By the way, I believe that "Sarah Tonyn" is a joke (see Lloyd Rose and seratonin). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I think you're right. That completely went over my head, and re-reading her bio page, it does say she lives in "Adverse Camber" which if my trivia is correct, is a roadway term, not an actual place. Lloyd Rose it is. SalemMacGourley 23:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

update of plot

Could I edit the plot of this into the style of some other episodes which have a small summary of each episode. Here is a sample of my planned update, which covers the first episode.

The doctor and Ace arrive outside Coal Hill school where the doctor spots a van, which the doctor is suspicious of as it is sophisticated for the year. Ace complains she is hungry so the doctor gives her some money to go a cafe. As he investigates the van a school girl watches him. While Ace is at the cafe, the doctor goes into the school playground where the girl is playing. When the doctor leaves she hums a ryme about the doctor. The doctor enters the van, and a women inside introduces herself as Proffesor Rachel Jenson. The doctor notices the scanner and notes that the reading suggest that the disturbance is being caused by something artificial. Ace has left the cafe with a man, and the two are talking together when the proffeser calls to the man as sergent. He runs into the van, and the doctor calls Ace. They travell to number 76 Totters lane, where the doctor meets Group Captain Gilmore and asks what is happening. Gilmore takes the doctor to a corpse, and the doctor notices he was killed by an energy weapon. He tells Gilmore that the thing that fired the weapon is trapped in the shed. When some soldiers try to retrieve the body the energy weapon is fierd, killing one of them. The doctor tries to stop the army attacking the creature as he relises it won't work, but the army lauch grenades at the shed. After that, a Dalek emerges and the army fires at it. THe doctor asks Ace for some nitro-9 explosives and tricks the dalek into following him. The dalek is blown up by the explosive. Ace drives the doctor away, but he is worried as the dalek was the wrong type. The doctor relises that the daleks are after the hand of Omega. They head back to the school and asks the headmaster if they can look around. The doctor and Ace travell down to the basement where they see a dalek trying to come through a tansmat, but the doctor stops it and disables the transmat as he doesn't want the daleks to arrive yet. However, he remembers that there is usually a Dalek left at the transmat to repair it incase of failure - and one emerges behind them. Ace runs up the stairs but is tackled by the Headmaster, who then bolts the door shut, trapping the doctor. The dalek floats up the stair behind the doctor announcing that he is an enemy of the daleks and will be exterminated...

If this is too long I can shorten it. Links to apropriate pages will be added to the final copy. StuartDD 13:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the plot using some of the previous material. If anyone wants to edit the length or add any links that I have missed please do so. StuartDD 20:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

continuity errors

"The Doctor tells Ace that "I didn't expect two Dalek factions". The last the Doctor knew, as of on-screen events, in Revelation of the Daleks (1985), there were two Dalek factions."

The above needn't be interpreted as a continuity error, not knowing of, and not expecting, are two different things. 71.59.231.70 20:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Davros' escape pod

From the plot section: "The device smashes back into the Mothership just after Davros' escape pod tumbles out of view"

Perhaps this is just poetic license or a figure of speech but I just finished watching this episode and we never see Darvos' escape pod "tumble out of view". You see him enter it and then it cuts to a shot of the control room and the darleks state that he has escaped in the pod, but there's no actual footage of this happening. Mloren (talk) 09:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's rather dim against the very bright Hand of Omega hitting the ship, but it's there. But then again, it just drops out rather than "tumble". DonQuixote (talk) 09:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, I see it. And yeah it actually drops straight down in a very straight line, no tumbling involved. Mloren (talk) 09:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waterloo Battle shooting date?

I looked up the page, and some other research leading me to the "Easter Rising" page based on a commentary track by Sylvester McCoy, and what I make out sounds like "The day we filmed this was a Monday on the sixtieth anniversary of the uprising in Dublin and so they were expecting some sort of bomb from the IRA and they thought this was it." It seems likely to me that McCoy may have erred in saying "sixtieth anniversary". Based on this, it seems likely that the Waterloo Battle in Part Four was shot on 1988 April 25, which would make it 82 years, 1 day (due to day of week alignment) after the Easter Rising. Can anybody confirm?

I find the real-life coincidence ironic because of the fictional coincidences the Doctor has been involved in, including the Mary Celeste and the extinction of the dinosaurs. (There is also a fan-made vid on Youtube, I guess set between Remembrance and Evil in the Daleks' proper history where the Emperor is remade from Remembrance form into Evil form or Parting form (they look very similar to me). By the beginning of this fanfiction, he's totally forgotten Davros and his earliest memories are of getting lost in time and causing Permian and K-T extinction events trying to get back. I think someone forgot about poor Adric, but whatever... Now, I can't find it, argh!) An unpredicted real life coincidence is the loss of Zeus 4 in The Tenth Planet is close on the calendar to the Challenger Shuttle accident. Featherwinglove (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth Dalek Voice

An uncredited fourth Dalek Voice appears in Parts 3-4. “Home planet Skaro about to vaporize” etc. The identity of who provided this voice is unknown, and they do not sound anything like the credited Voices (Roy Skelton, Royce Mills, Brian Miller and John Leeson). So who could it be? Flower Pot Zip (talk) 06:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]