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Pie chart on religious affiliation needs better source

Currently, the pie chart on religious affiliation in Kyrgyzstan uses a survey this source: http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSOnline.jsp

I tried to track down the exact survey, and it seems to be one from 2010-14 with N=1500 responses. We must be careful in how we use survey results. In addition to reporting more Muslims than other sources estimate for the country as a whole (89% in the survey vs. 80% and 75% from the Kyrgyz gov't and CIA respectively,) a full 1.5% of respondents (N=22) were Jewish. This isn't enough to conclude that 1.5% of the whole country's population is Jewish, which would be inconsistent with other sources, as it would indicate something like 90,000 Jewish people in Kyrgyzstan.

I'm going to track down a more appropriate source and update the pie chart accordingly. 168.235.187.210 (talk) 18:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Missing or Misleading Information

Not sure if I'm doing this right, but this article is missing a few significant things: -Ismaili Islam isn't mentioned. I have no clue as to the numbers, but at least the Aga Khan Foundation wields considerable influence and I'm pretty sure there are some large mosques. -Extensive Mosque building by Saudi Arabia and Turkey, as well as Turkish schools. -Radical Islam in Suzak and Kara Suu and fighters who went to fight with ISIS (I've heard 40 or 200 people went) -Religion under Communism. -It's incorrect to say that "there are no significant figures on Atheism." The CIA factbook as recently as 2012 had the number of Muslims at around 65% and the number of Atheist/Agnostics at around 30%. More recent statistics have inflated the numbers of Muslims and Orthodox Christians by stating them along purely ethnic lines, which does not at all reflect the situation in Kyrgyzstan. However, it is difficult to divide Atheists from Muslims and Orthodox Christians, as throughout the former Soviet Union many self-proclaimed Atheists also identify as Muslim or Christian along ethnic/cultural lines. -I don't see any information post-2010, history wise. -There is some rich guy who built a sort of open air Museum to Religious Tolerance at Lake Issyk Kul on the southern shore. -Historically, it has been found that Kyrgyzstan was home to Buddhists, Nestorian Christians, and others pre-and post-Islam. -The Baptist Church (through German settlers initially) has been in Kyrgyzstan since at least the 1860s. -Significant changes to the Registration law were made in the 2010s, as now an organization wishing to register needs 200 members/signatures. In South Kyrgyzstan, many Christians and others have chosen to not register fearing persecution/tax-extortion or have been blocked from doing so. -Burial battles in Jalal-abad during Atambayev's reign. There were high-profile cases where local imams unburied Christians or refused to let them be buried in a local graveyard. Some of these were accompanied by forced conversions of non-Muslims. The President eventually intervened and decreed that space be set aside for Christians, Tengri, and others to be buried in each region.

I would edit the article, but most of my knowledge is based on articles I've read or what I've heard firsthand, and I don't have the sources available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.106.50.109 (talk) 06:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Your source does not state so

@Yotu907: I understand russian and I can't see where the percentages are given paste the information here? Azeriking55 (talk) 12:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Reverts

Azeriking55, several of your reverts today were in error. I have reinstated the edits, please do not revert them again without discussion:

• [1] The figure is stated on there website under religion and culture
  • The figure of 87,6% is not found in either of the cited sources, and neither of them are reliable. I replaced them with a more reliable source that says nearly the same thing, 90%, so why is that a problem? The first replaced source, http://www.asmi.edu.kg/about-kyrgyzstan, says 80%. Its reliability is questionable, as a medical institute it does not have a reputation for expertise and fact-checking in this area, see WP:SPS. The second, https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2001/5598.htm, also says 80%. It was published by the US government and it may have been considered reliable at the time, but it's now 20 years out of date, see WP:AGE MATTERS. I replaced these with an updated citation of another US government publication, the CIA World Factbook, which is a much more reliable and current source. I also updated some other numbers according to this source, which had previously been unsourced. Your revert re-introduced unsourced content and unreliable sources, in contradiction of the core content policies.
• [2] - you reverted an edit by a "bot", without giving any explanation.
  • The edit had corrected the layout of the categories. If you have a problem with the bot, please go to its talk page. There does not appear to be any valid reason to revert this edit.
• [3] Pew has a more updated date then global religions.
  • That makes no sense. The Global Religious Futures Project is published by Pew, it's the same thing. My edit changed only the "website" parameter, which should have the name of the website in plain English, not its URL, see template:Cite web. There is no valid reason to revert this edit.

I had to spend a fair amount of time fixing your reverts and writing this explanation. Please try to be more careful in the future, thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 12:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

IamNotU Ah I see my fault. Azeriking55 (talk) 14:07, 26 July 2020 (UTC)