Talk:Religion in Iran/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merge

Why? There is no reason for a separate religious minorities in Iran. They could be merged into one fine article. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Support merge The religion in Iran article was created later, so that's why there are two. I agree that the minorities one could be merged here quite nicely. Mangostar (talk) 08:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Merge - [...] could be merged here quite nicely - only to require unmerging again after a while because the article has grown too much. Refdoc (talk) 16:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Support merge I would have to say it should be merged into the Religious minorities section of the article. Why would it require unmerging again after a while? There are already articles on Christianity in Iran, Zoroastrians in Iran, Persian Jews, Hinduism in Iran, in addition to Religion in Iran, --BoogaLouie (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

With a vote of 3 to 1 in favor I will be merging this article in a week unless I hear any protest. --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Reverts in article

Why was this reverted?

• the Iranian Parliament - the was changed to The in the middle of a sentence. That's ungramatical.
• While religious minorities in the Islamic Republic of Iran do not have equal rights with Muslims, - deleted. the lack of equal rights is explained with citations below in the Religious freedom section
• Following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Iran became an Islamic Republic based on the principle of rule by Shia Islamic jurists, (or "Velayat-e faqih"), - deleted. This is a basic fact about the Islamic Republic disputed by no one!
• Bahá'ís are neither recognized nor protected by the Iranian constitution, as the Bahá'í Faith is banned. - deleted. Also a basic fact undisputed by the government who claim bahai are subversives. --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

1. I will fix that. 2. Because it's a sweeping statement that is both true and false. It's an OR generalization of a complicated issue. As you said it yourself, the issue is explained with citations, so any such general conclusions should be left to the reader. 3. It's already mentioned that Iran is run by Shia clerics, there is no need to go into details of Velayat-e faqih here, it's irrelevant to the topic. 4. I did not delete that statement, I moved it to Religion_in_Iran#Other_faiths. --Kurdo777 (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

References

more third party refs

BTW, since non-Baha'i sources are being added I'll note that The Babi Question You Mentioned by deVreis and Debating Muslims are both non-Baha'i sources from academic researchers. One of the authors of Debating Muslims was himself one of the members of the organization cited. Smkolins (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

600 Churches?

I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding any evidence of 600 churches other that from this comment of the President's and some of a much smaller number. For example [1] says there are "around 150 churches in use to this day". This online registry has only a few. One other is from a blocked website (squidoo.com/religions-of-iran) but even that just says there are 73 registered with the government. And precious little from any academic/scholarly source. This cite online seems to cast serious doubt [2]. This one says the largest group of Christians only had 30 Churches in the 70s. This Muslim Shi'a cite claims there are just 250 Churches - this is the most update to date cite I've seen so far and seems to have content from the University of Tehran on it. Smkolins (talk) 18:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I've deleted the 600 churches stuff. --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree, and you can not delete something just because "you think" or you "don't like". Smkolins goes after dilteant sources which claims "30 Churches in the 70s" (???), but there's at least 200 of them dating before 20th century. Restored. --109.165.148.54 (talk) 04:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Non-religious people

Are there any figures on, or information about the treatment of, atheists and other non-religious people in Iran? --84.203.72.116 (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't have any official sources for this, but just for your information, it's more of don't ask don't tell kind of policy toward non-religious people. I'm an atheist and lived 21 years of my life in Iran. I always openly talked about it with my friends and never had a problem with it, but officially advocating atheism is a crime in Iran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.15.163 (talk) 22:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, the number of non-religious people are much more than it is expected. any idea or statistical data? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.230.128 (talk) 02:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Sources needed for the list of minority MPs in the recent Majlis

At present, this list in the article contains only a single citation, that for Younatan Betkolia Googtapeh. Could someone provide some sources? --Bejnar (talk) 19:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Shia islam in Iran This article is totaly wrong. Just look at every source on shia islam/wikipedia, and other google articles. This percentage of shia islam in iran is 90%, not 89%. change this wrong status —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denniturk (talk • contribs) 23:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Religion in Iran

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Religion in Iran's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "saving":

• From Mandaeans: Contrera, Russell. "Saving the people, killing the faith – Holland, MI". The Holland Sentinel. Retrieved 2011-12-17.
• From Mandaeism: Contrera, Russell. "Saving the people, killing the faith - Holland, MI". The Holland Sentinel. Retrieved 2011-12-17.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:48, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

History

Something could be said about history mentioning Manichaeism, Mazdakism, Nestorianism and other religions with historical roots in Persia. --Error (talk) 23:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Introduction separation of church and state

I edited the intro that said that intro does not have a mechanism for separation of church and state, as it was biased. No religion has a mechanism for separation of church and state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silentwarriorr (talk • contribs) 19:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

This is an article about Iran, not about any particular religion. Lots of states have mechanisms for separation of religion and state.Jeppiz (talk) 20:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Agree with action, but for mostly opposite reasons. Some Muslim modernists interpret Al-Baqara 256 (no compulsion in religion) as justification for a separation of church and state. Freedom of religion is about as true for Malaysia as it is for England (possibly moreso, since the state religion of Malaysia was just an excuse by one of their medieval kings to get a divorce). Christianity has a history of distinguishing between the two]], from Tolstoy to Roger Williams to St Augustine and Martin Luther to even Jesus. Thus, it's simply not true that no religion has a mechanism for separation of church and state. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Mandaeism

Why was Mandaeism categorized under Agnostic? Kortoso (talk) 16:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Sunni mosques

I have removed an assertion that Sunnis are not allowed to build mosques in large Iranian cities, which appears to be patently false. There are apparently nine Sunni mosques just in Tehran, and many others throughout the country. See: http://dreamofiran.com/dossiers/iranian-sunnis-religious-freedom/

The claim I removed cited the CIA World Factbook as a source, but when I followed the link given[3] it actually had no such discussion.

From what I understand, there has been some crackdown by the Iranian government on extreme Salafist preaching, but in general most Sunnis in Iran are able to practice their faith with no interference. Some sectarians though have been making allegations of a supposed Sunni-mosque ban in order to stir up tensions, and apparently one of them added such a claim to the article with a false citation.... -91.5.46.14 (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)