Talk:Religion in Eswatini/Archive 1

Archive 1

Improving the article

I have made some edits to improve the article. Ludvonga (talk) 22:20, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you please explain, why you changed CIA statistics?Septate (talk) 07:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Reverted page

I disagree with the edits by Septate, I therefore reverted it to my last edit on July 15. Ludvonga (talk) 01:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Ludvonga, why you reverted my edits. CIA world fact book states that majority are christians and 10% are Muslims. You have changed these statistics which is against wikipedia's guidelines.Septate (talk) 02:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Dear Septate, I hope I'm not being disrespectful. The numbers on CIA world fact book, which are estimates, just do not add up. They say that 40% is Zionist and 20% is Roman Catholic. This is however not the case. Both Zionist and Roman Catholic are a smaller minority in the Christian churches. The protestant churches such as Anglican and Methodist were not even mentioned. The dominant churches today in Swaziland, which are Evangelical charismatic churches are not mentioned at all. On the other hand, religions like Islam, Judaism and Bahai remain peripheral in Swaziland, and are practiced by expats. This is why the other source is more accurate than the CIA source. I hope that clears it up. Other discrepancies exist, such as the population of the country, which the estimate to be 1.4 million. On the IMF and World Bank pages, this is around 1.15 to 1.25 million subjects. Ludvonga (talk) 02:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Ludvonga, looks like your math is pretty much weak. 40%AfricanZoinist+20%Catholic+10%Muslim+30%Others=100%. Also, your views regarding African Zionism and Catholicism constitute WP:Original research.Septate (talk) 08:06, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Please try to resolve dispute on the article's talk page.Septate (talk) 05:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

According to the The International Religious Freedom Report 2005 from the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor: "Christianity is the dominant religion. Zionism, a blend of Christianity and indigenous ancestral worship, is the predominant religion in rural areas. A large Roman Catholic presence, including churches, schools, and other infrastructure, continues to flourish. The population is approximately 35 percent Protestant, 30 percent Zionist, 25 percent Roman Catholic, and 1 percent Muslim. The remaining 9 percent of the population is divided among the Anglican Church, the Methodist Church, the Baha'i Faith, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Judaism, and other religious groups. Followers of Islam and the Baha'i Faith generally are located in urban areas. There are few atheists."

Pew Research estimates 88.1% Christians, 0.2% Islam and 10.1% unaffiliated in 2010. JimRenge (talk) 06:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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This article relies on a single source and is quite short given the importance of religion in Swazi society and culture. I question the proportions given in the cited source. Most sources with which I am familiar would place African intiated churches as encompassing 50% to 60% of the population. The term "Zionist" churches, while not exactly incorrect, is only one subcategory of African initiated churches and has been subject a degree of intellectual critique since first proposed by Bengt Sundkler in contrast to "Ethiopian" independent African churches sixty years ago. "Ethiopian" churches held to be theologically orthodox Christian churches with conventional apostolic succession in ministerial ordination, but denominational administrative independence, while "Zionist" churches were theologically unorthodox, with leaders who may never have been ordained within a church claiming apostolic succession; Sundkler referred to them as syncretistic, a term which has come under criticism in itself and as to whether it accurately or adequately describes African initiated churches. The characterization of "Zionist" churches as "combining" Christianity with indigenous religion falls under that kind of criticism. Chris Lowe (talk) 03:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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