Talk:Relief pitcher

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There seems to be a lot of inevitable overlap between describing the evolution of reliever usage and the evolution of closer usage. What is best way to address? DwaynefromME (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would try to summarize as much as possible. For instance, specific details on closer strategies are in closer, while relief pitcher mentions that they have evolved into one-inning specialists. Do you have specific examples that you feel need to be addressed?—Bagumba (talk) 21:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure. I tried just now to expand on the specialization/smaller workload point. Maybe that can distinguish the two more. DwaynefromME (talk) 17:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Current relief roles"

I think the wording of this section as it stands is misleading. It implies that every team has the same, strictly defined roles -- everyone has one guy who always pitches the 9th, one who always pitches the 7th/8th, one who always pitches the 6th, and a lefty specialist. Even given the continually increasing specialization of the bullpen, there is still a lot more diversity than that in bullpen construction. Also, it seems to me that the long relief role has largely died out. DwaynefromME (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The pitching staff has a range of sizes listed, as descriptions use words like "generally" and "usually". Most teams now do have a general pecking order, but it is certainly not followed 100% of the time. Do you have suggestions on improvement? Note also, that the current wording is based on a reliable source; I would suggest other viewpoints added have similar sources as well.—Bagumba (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let me know what you think of my edit of 17:22 today. DwaynefromME (talk) 17:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aprreciate the effort, but this appears to be original research. WP should be based primarily off of secondary sources, analysis provided by an author in a reliable source. The latest additions appear to be backed primarily by statistics (i.e. primary sources)from stat site queries. I would suggest finding authors that advance the positions stated instead of performing our own analysis and generalization based on statistics.—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The relief pitcher article is very poorly written, especially paragraphs two through four. The third paragraph starts with "Secondly," but second to what? I think the writers mean "the second supporting fact for the increased importance of pitchers," but they haven't given any in the preceding paragraph. That paragraph (the second), says relief pitchers are more important now than in the past, but then describes only the past, when relievers were typically older pitchers who no longer started. And the third paragraph begins "another reason for the advancement of skill" but there's never been another one given. 68.36.163.22 17:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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