Talk:Reiwa Shinsengumi

Member of the House of Representatives

​​​Can someone please write in the article how the party gained its member of the House of Representatives and who it is with a supporting citation? I've tried to look for a news article regarding it but can't find one in English. Helper201 (talk) 22:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Takashi Takai (高井崇志) joined Reiwa Shinsengumi and will be running for Shiga Prefecture's 3rd district in the upcoming general election. I have provided a link to a Japanese article about it. [1] PhDoctor (talk)

Thanks, PhDoctor. Could you please add this into the article with that citation? I'm guessing Takashi Takai was already an elected member of the House of Representatives either for a different party or as an independent and moved over to Reiwa Shinsengumi? That information would be helpful to note in the article as well. Helper201 (talk) 00:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Category

I think we should include the "Social liberal parties" category and the "Liberal parties in Japan" category in the Reiwa Shinsengumi article. This is because RS itself is a separate party from the center-left Liberal Party, and Tarō Yamamoto has never supported socialism or social democracy. Ideology and political position must be distinguished. (Of course, I think it's better not to write "social liberalism" on the infobox because it can confuse readers who read the article.) --Storm598 (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

This is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. We should only include these categories if the party can be cited as liberal and social liberal, otherwise they have no place here. Helper201 (talk) 14:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

This is absolutely not an OR. The party is also considered a clear liberal party in Japan. There is also this phrase in the book <Japanese Constitutional Revisionism and Civic Activism> : "... Sometimes regarded as a “liberal-populist” party, a new political party, Reiwa Shinsengumi, arose in a “riot” of people who believed they have been marginalized by Japanese capitalism and democracy.26 The party's charismatic leader, ..." # --Storm598 (talk) 21:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Local media in Japan also say that "liberal"(リベラル) is the main supporter. # In addition, right-wing or even far-right parties, not centre-right, are sometimes classified as "classical liberal party" or "conservative liberal party". Likewise, a left-wing party, not a centre-left party, can be classified as a "social liberal party". (In Japan, "リベラリズム'(or リベラル) and '自由主義'(or 自由) have slightly different meanings, with the former mainly meaning "liberal"(=social liberal) in the American context and the latter meaning "liberal"(=All forms of liberal. that are not limited to social liberal) in the overall sense. Also in Japan, 'リベラル' is considered a part of '自由主義'.) --Storm598 (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I will compare it to a Western person in an easy-to-understand way. Elizabeth Warren is recognized as a "socialist" or at least a "social democrats" in South Korea and Japan. She is a "left-wing" politician and a "liberal" at the same time. She is never a "socialist". Tarō Yamamoto (and Reiwa Shinsengumi) are never even recognized as "socialists" in South Korea and Japan. But he is a "left-wing" politician and at the same time a "liberal". He is never a "socialist". Tarō Yamamoto's anti-capitalist words and actions are literally populism, not a serious approach. Reiwa Shinsengumi is clearly recognized as "liberal"(リベラル) in the context of Japanese politics, and I don't think the category of liberalism can be removed just because it is a left-wing party. Articles such as Robert M. La Follette, Green Party of the United States, and Working Families Party also use the categories "liberal"(リベラル) or "social liberal".--Storm598 (talk) 00:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Storm598 if you can cite these claims using sources like you've given here then its fine to add these categories, but the claim should clearly be cited on the page before adding the related category. Helper201 (talk) 02:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I think you may have misunderstood and thought that I was disagreeing with your point. My argument had nothing to do with me disagreeing or saying you were wrong. It’s just that we go by what reliable sources explicitly state. The information should be clearly visible on the page and cited by at least one reliable source that explicitly supports the claim you are making before going around and adding the related as categories. That's all. Helper201 (talk) 03:04, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I removed social liberalism because nowhere on the page is the party specifically called social liberal with a supporting citation supporting this claim. If you want to add that it is regarded as social liberal and provide a supporting citation that explicitly states this (doesn't just say "liberal" but specifically "social liberal", per WP:SYNTH) in the main text then I see and have no problem with adding it as a category after and would not remove it then. Helper201 (talk) 03:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I found a new content from a book source. I'm just going to say that if Reiwa has been described as social-liberal by any reliable sources, feel free to add it including the category, otherwise keep the categories that are actually sourced. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

'Left-wing liberalism' or 'left-liberalism' is synonymous with 'social liberalism'. Therefore, I don't think there is a reason why we can't use a 'social liberal parties' category. --Storm598 (talk) 09:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Far-right parties such as the People's Party of Canada are also classified as "classical liberal parties". There is no reason not to classify Reiwa Shinsengumi as a "social liberal parties". In many regions, such as Europe, Asia, and Latin America, "liberalism" in a general sense means an ideology located in the middle of classical liberalism/conservative liberalism and social liberalism. If RS cannot be classified as "liberal" because there is no direct source mentioned as "social liberalism," Dawn of Liberty Party should also be classified as a simple "liberal" party, not as "classical liberalism". (In South Korea, DOL tends to be simply referred to as "liberalism" or "right-wing liberalism" rather than "classical liberalism".) This doesn't make sense! Some right-liberal (classical liberal or conservative liberal) parties may be right-wing or far-right, not centre-right, Likewise some left-liberal (social liberal) parties may be left-wing, not centre-left. --Storm598 (talk) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Translation of Party name

We need top know partyname in english Lovemankind83 (talk) 18:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)