Talk:Reich Chamber of Music
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[edit]A portion, but not all, of this article was translated from the German Wikipedia article. Here is the article, translated into English by Google, if anyone wants to cull more information from it. Softlavender (talk) 01:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
The information in the article is somewhat misleading in places! There area couple of excellent recent articles on the topic, particularly Pamela Potters overview What Is “Nazi Music”? published in 2006 in the Musical Quarterly, a highly reputable academic journal (Potter is one of the worlds leading experts on music in Germany between the wars. Will rewrite when I have the time. NB Google translate does seem to come up with some interesting ways of putting things!Byronmercury (talk) 10:46, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Please don't "rewrite". The article is basically correct. I have just now removed some inaccuracies which crept in while I wasn't looking. The article doesn't need a re-write. If you have cited material to add, from viewable footnotes that are readable online, that would be fine. Softlavender (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- sorry, got there too soon. I reversed my edit, but take a look at what I wrote.Byronmercury (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Too much detail, and the varied details on specific composers belong in their respective articles, not here. The info on Stravinsky is doubly misleading because not only was his music banned completely throughout Germany and its occupied territories beginning in the spring of 1940, his music went in and out of proscriptions and bans from 1933 onwards. Whatever success he had was largely due to the efforts of powerful allies like Strauss and Furtwangler, etc., on his behalf, who ran interference as best they could. There is far too much to say about each specific composer to add to this article; that's why it's a general overview. This article is not about what music was performed, or managed to get performed, in Germany, it is specifically about the Reichsmusikkammer and its policies and aims. Softlavender (talk) 06:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Point about too much detail well taken. I think that we can both agree that Stravinsky's music was banned in 1940 (albeit along with many others from countries with which Germany was at war), which sort of implies it was not banned before then. Maybe we could add that the date of the ban to the article to make this clear. Also, as currently written , it looks as if Hindemith and Stravinsky were banned for being sexually suggestive or savage: not sure where this comes from. Anyway, as I can see you set up the article I will leave it up to you. As you say, maybe there should be a separate article on what music was actually performed in the Nazi period.Byronmercury (talk) 11:40, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- "I think that we can both agree that Stravinsky's music was banned in 1940 (albeit along with many others from countries with which Germany was at war), which sort of implies it was not banned before then." Well, it was banned or proscribed before then. As I mentioned, it went in and out of being banned and proscribed and/or deprecated long before the complete empire-wide ban in 1940. So it's least confusing just to leave the article wording as is. "As you say, maybe there should be a separate article on what music was actually performed in the Nazi period." Actually I never said that. It's just not the subject of this article. And detailed information on specific composers belong in their respective articles, not here. Softlavender (talk) 01:37, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
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[edit]Images are not spam: read the article to find the ref to Richard Strauss, who famously joined and then resigned from the Nazi organisation. 86.186.153.39 (talk) 09:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)