Talk:Regis

Text and/or other creative content from Regis was copied or moved into Regis (given name) with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Where to go

The question isn't whether it has multiple meanings, the question is what is a searcher likely to want to see. If you can't tell, then it should go to the dab. If you can guess, then it should go to that page. Cf. Elvis or Adam -- JHunterJ 16:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But the question has to answered from a perspective that is larger than the American TV audience for Live with Regis and Kelly; Wikipedia is a worldwide encyclopia.

Atlant 16:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Is there something that worldwide users are more likely to be looking for than any of the others? If not, then it can still be worldwide and redirect to Philbin. -- JHunterJ 17:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He has greater exposure with the American audience than with only Live with Regis and Kelly or Live with Regis and Kathie Lee; he didn't set his Guinness World Record on this talk show alone. Tinlinkin 03:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the redirect to Regis Philbin. Although he is well-known by his first name (I am a major contributor to his article), he does not always advertise himself to be known that way. When he is introduced in his shows, he is referred to as "Regis Philbin," not Regis. People like Madonna, Cher, Monica and Brandy (related to Philbin by America's Got Talent) professionally want to be known by their first names. I'm not sure that Regis Philbin does.

Just as important, in the "What Links Here" to Regis, none of those articles refer to Regis Philbin, except for Philbin himself. For Philbin, that link is to show that Regis means "king" in Latin, as it is some form of the word rex. (I don't know about the Latin language, but I know the word.) That usage has been significant even before Regis Philbin was born. So I would revert Regis to redirect to the disambiguation page, which was created when another user wanted to redirect Regis to Regis Philbin. Tinlinkin 03:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, JHunterJ, your butchering of Regis (disambiguation) made the first section largely United States-centric, which shows WP:BIAS. Tinlinkin 03:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My "butchering" of Regis (disambiguation) removed the subsections, and follows WP:MOSDAB for putting things with Regis in the title (but not called simply "Regis") in a See also section; there's no WP:BIAS. The other links to Regis should be broken in any event, since they need to be disambiguated. I'll work on those. -- JHunterJ 13:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You need subsections to group similar things together!

In long lists, yes. This one isn't long.

And if you don't see the systemic bias, in the current edit (where I added Regis College), 9 of the 12 entries in the top section, (not the Forgotten Realms Regis, Curia Regis, and Pokemon Regis family), involve American entities. On the bottom section, only 1 of the 14 entries (David Regis) is United States-related. (BTW, the "see also" name is best suited for related topics, not the continuation of the topic: disambiguation.)

Moving them (articles with the Title included, but not referred to simply as Title) to "See also" was the result of the discussion at WP:MOSDAB. That applying that guideline happened to also separate American and other entities is coincidental, not bias.

And the difference between people and locations is unclear with your edit.

You think someone will mistake David Regis for a place? Even if that's true, the purpose of the dab isn't to clarify peoplehood or locationhood, it's just to guide readers to the correct article.

Also, in my web searches for "Regis", Regis Philbin was not the first choice. In Google, the top 4 Regis Philbin-related entries were numbers 3 (Live with Regis & Kelly official website), 7 (IMDB), 8 (Wikipedia: Regis Philbin), and 43 (NYtix.com, Live tickets). In Yahoo!, entries were at number 9 (IMDB), 12 (Wikipedia: Regis Philbin), 16 (Wikipedia: Regis disambig), and 28 (Live official website). In comparison, with the top 20 Google and Yahoo! searches for Madonna, Cher and Brandy, most of the sites are related to these entertainers. This shows that I still disagree with the automatic redirect of Regis to Regis Philbin. Tinlinkin 04:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regis Philbin-related articles are the only ones that appear mutiple times in the top 10, so I still think it's the one that will be more often intended when someone searches for "Regis". Please note too that I am not a Regis fan -- never watched Regis & Whomever or Millionaire; it just appears that that is where the redirection should go. -- JHunterJ 10:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From an edit summary: "Based on the tlk so far, I see no consensus and only minority support for moving this from redirecting to the disambiguation page. Revert back there." I suppose 1 against 2 does make me the "minority" in this tiny sample, but the 2's objections have all been responded to. If you're fixed on this path, though. redirecting from the basename to "basename (disambiguation)" is superfluous. You should move "basename (disambiguation)" to "basename" in this new type of situation. -- JHunterJ 12:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an administrator so, short of doing a cut-n-paste move (which is frowned upon because it loses the history audit trail), I have no capability to do that. We could ask an admin to do that, of course, and I agree with you that it would be the best course of action assuming we finally do reach a consensus.

Atlant 16:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say give it a week then (until 13 September 2006), just in case some other interested party stumbles into this discussion late. Then, yes, propose the move -- I'd prefer the redirect to Philbin over all, but the redirect to the Regis (disambiguation) comes in third. -- JHunterJ 16:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]