Talk:Reflection (2021 film)

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"Marketing" seciton

Hi @Bovineboy2008: could please describe why adding a section "Marketing" has so enraged you that you removed it immedeatley [1]? You said "remove non-notable marketing per WP:FILMMARKETING"; you also said it was a bold edit, but this is not even slightly a bold edit - most film articles on Wikipedia have "Marketing" seciton, see Dune (2021 film) etc (and see how Dune (2021 film) article talks about when the first trailer was released.

Also if you read WP:FILMMARKETING - it specifically says in its first sentence "A film's marketing campaign may be detailed in its Wikipedia article if reliable sources exist.", which is exaclty the case here - a ScreenDaily article attached to the news of the first trailer release --73.8.106.93 (talk) 23:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that a film releases a trailer is not in itself notable. Almost all films and mediums of entertainment engage in some form of advertisement like releasing trailers. Per WP:FILMMARKETING, we should not "merely identify and describe the content of customary marketing methods such as trailers, TV spots, radio ads, and posters". In the case of Dune (2021 film), the marketing is supported by its impact and coverage in the media. Saying that other stuff exists is not a valid argument for inclusion! BOVINEBOY2008 23:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bovineboy2008: What are you talking aobut? The situation in "Marketing" section in Dune (2021 film) and Reflection (2021 film) is exactlly the same, and neither section in each of these articles violates WP:FILMMARKETING. I will add addtional media coverage on the trailer release, per the format used in Dune (2021 film).--73.8.106.93 (talk) 23:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Dune article follows the info about the release with a review quote from IndieWire, and the theatrical trailer has a review quote from Wired and Vanity Fair. There is no review of the trailer for this film the way it is currently written. BOVINEBOY2008 23:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is unrealistic to expect the same level of media attention to a $200+ million Hollywood blockbuster (i.e., Dune (2021 film)) and a small $1 million indie film. I have now added addtional Ukrianian-langauge resouce about trailer's release. Also I re-read WP:FILMMARKETING and the crux of that rule is that you shouldn't just add ad naseum marketing materials from primary sources (i.e., from pruducer's website etc.) but instead use reliable 3rd party soruces when describing film's marketing campain. I have 100% followed the spirit of WP:FILMMARKETING and added information about first trailer release with reliable sources from both English-language specialized publishing media (i.e., ScreenDaily) as well as Ukrainian-langauge specialized media (i.e., The Village Ukraine).--73.8.106.93 (talk) 23:54, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree. This is why most films do not have a section simply stating that they have released a trailer. BOVINEBOY2008 01:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well the statement you said above "this is why most films do not have a section simply stating that they have released a trailer" is only partially true, but partially false: in fact most film articles on Wikipedia (at least good ones, where the subject matter is explored in details; also obvioulsy we are talking here only about films released after ~2010 when film trailers became so widespread and popular as a tool for film marketing) mention the date when the first trailer is released; some of them do this in the "Release" seciton, while others bucket it into a seperate Marketing/Promotions section. In conclusion your removal of the news that the 1st trailer was released was unjustified was not (as you claimed) in accordance WP:FILMMARKETING.--73.8.106.93 (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not. The reason why many Good Articles have a marketing section is because the subject has developed a significant amount of coverage, including on its marketing. Unless the film is heavily covered by media, or if the film's marketing is particularly notable, then the article usually does not make mention of the fact that a trailer was released. This all boils down to the type of coverage the marketing receives - it needs to be critical coverage, not just statement of when and how it was released. BOVINEBOY2008 20:13, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What's your definition of "a significant amount of media coverage" for a film trailer? 5 media articles, 10 media articles or what? Vasyanovych's Reflection has so far (in just 1 day since the trailer was released on Sept 5, 2021) got 30+ (literally every major Ukrainian media outlet reported on it), which I 100% consider "a significant amount of media coverage": [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] etc.. If you are WP:Here to build an encyclopedia, please stop wasting my time with this non-productive discussion about whether Reflection's trailer release warrants inclusion in this article per WP:FILMMARKETING (it does), and start actual improvement of the article (thankfully there are plenty of media articles coming out in Ukrainian/Italian/English language mediea thanks to the Venice Film Festival hype - just pick any of those media articles about Refleciton and improve the article. Thank you.--73.8.106.93 (talk) 20:47, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]