Talk:Red Deer, Alberta

Canada: Alberta / Communities / The 10,000 Challenge Mid‑importance

	Canada portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Canada on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CanadaWikipedia:WikiProject CanadaTemplate:WikiProject CanadaCanada-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Alberta.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Canadian communities.
	This article was created or improved during The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada, which started in November 2016 and is ongoing. You can help!!

Cities

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cities, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of cities, towns and various other settlements on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CitiesWikipedia:WikiProject CitiesTemplate:WikiProject CitiesWikiProject Cities articles

Archives

2005-2017

'Red Deer/Lethbridge is Alberta's third largest city' yet again.

This is a mess. Editors have been going back and forth on this and changing parts of lines without ensuring that everything is consistent. Refs in the article give us:

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/pd-pl/Table.cfm?Lang=Eng&T=302&SR=1&S=86&O=A&RPP=9999&PR=48 putting 2016 ederal census population at 100,416 vs Lethbridge at 92,729.
https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/pd-pl/Table.cfm?Lang=Eng&T=801&SR=1&S=3&O=D&RPP=100&PR=48&CMA=0#tPopDwell putting 2016 Federal census population at 99,718 cs Lethbridge at 87,572 (I don't know why these Stats Can sources disagree).
https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/daab9fce-c2f6-49d1-a433-375b2b7aee24/resource/66766b31-22fd-4365-af52-3d185cb52ea2/download/2016-municipal-affairs-population-list.pdf 2016 Municipal census population at 99,832 vs Lethbridge at 96,828
https://reddeer.ca/whats-happening/news-room/red-deer-is-home-to-101002-residents.html and https://lethbridgeherald.com/news/lethbridge-news/2019/06/24/lethbridge-passes-historic-population-mark-of-100000/ local news reports of 2019 municipal census putting population at 101,002 vs Lethbridge at 101,482 (now third largest city).

Not in the article as far as I know is the AB government's 2019 population report https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/daab9fce-c2f6-49d1-a433-375b2b7aee24/resource/61cd908d-e2b9-4837-939b-533848d723b9/download/2019_mapl_web.pdf. The population numbers are the same as in the cited media reports for the 2019 municipal census. So, per the 2016 federal or municipal census, Red Deer was larger. Per the 2019 municipal census Lethbrrdge was larger.

I'm simply going to rewrite the lead lead to say that Red Deer was the third largest Alberta city as of the 2016 Federal census, but that it had fallen to fourth largest (after Lethbridge) as of the 2019 municipal census. Meters (talk) 04:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed the same and I don't really sweat this. For insight on what is truly going on here, review this tweet and expand it to review the full thread. In all truthfulness, Red Deer is and continues to be the third largest city in Alberta and will continue to do so only when Lethbridge surpasses Red Deer again in a federal census, or when Lethbridge stops counting its non-permanent student residents. Perhaps simply remove mention of each city's population rank in the leads of both articles. Hwy43 (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've just copyedited your revision for even greater accuracy, but honestly I'd like to see ", and Alberta's third most populous city, after Calgary and Edmonton.[3] According to 2019 municipal censuses Red Deer's population had been slightly surpassed by that of Lethbridge, making Red Deer the fourth largest city by population in the province" simply struck, leaving it to simply read as "With a recorded population of 100,418 in the Canada 2016 census, Red Deer became the third Alberta city to surpass 100,000 people."

Then, at Lethbridge, re-write the lead to say "With a recorded population of 101,482 in it 2019 municipal census, Lethbridge became the fourth Alberta city to surpass 100,000 people." Both leads are factually correct, and no ranks in either – done! Hwy43 (talk) 04:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. No problems if you want to change what I wrote. I'm just tired of seeing the back and forth and was trying to put up a compromise that would satisfy both sides..Basically, we have two large cities (Calgary, followed by Edmonton) in the one million range, and then Red Deer and Lethbridge in a virtual tie at about 100 thousand.each. I think we're seeing community boosterism. Meters (talk) 04:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We are seeing boosterism. I will implement and post a notice on Talk:Lethbridge. Hwy43 (talk) 04:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Meters (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Forth, Alberta" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Forth, Alberta and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 14#Forth, Alberta until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]