Talk:Red-billed tropicbird

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Better photo?

A contributor has uploaded an image that may be better than the one used in the Taxobox.

Please see File:Red-billed Tropicbird on the nest (Phaeton aethereus mesonauta).jpg--SPhilbrick (Talk) 15:04, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On a related note, for some reason neither I or anyone else brought up during the FAC that this article could need a range map, as is present in all other bird FAs, though it seems to have been brought up during the GAN. What do you say, RileyBugz and Casliber? FunkMonk (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok...when I get to it :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Red-billed tropicbird is not a bad swimmer

There is information about this bird being a bad swimmer. This ain't true. The bird swims well.

http://www.arkive.org/red-billed-tropicbird/phaethon-aethereus/#src=portletV3api

Red-billed tropicbird biology

The red-billed tropicbird has a strong, energetic flight, using rapid wing-beats rather than gliding or soaring, and it also swims well, with the long tail held up out of the water (3) (5). Usually foraging alone, it typically flies high above the water, sometimes hovering, before plunge-diving to catch fish or squid, or sometimes taking flying fish from the air (2) (3) (6). In contrast, it is extremely awkward on land, using the wings to push itself along on its belly (3) (6).

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sabine's Sunbird (talk · contribs) 20:22, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments

Either in lead, or in taxonomy section, or preferably both, worth mentioning that the tropicbirds are a family (as well as a genus) and naming that family.

Done RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 00:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In overall appearance it is tern-like in shape. - this is in the lead and in the description section and I would argue that the word "superficially" is needed. There is a passing resemblance in the air but you would never mistake one for the other in the field, especially on the ground.

Added "in flight" to the description based on one of the distinguishing features being its flight path, and added "superficially" in lead. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 00:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know that the range of the nominate is often given as South Atlantic (example HBW) but I think that is an inaccurate simplification when you dig down into the actual range. It's breeding islands are all south of the equator (just south in some cases) but its breeding distribution stretches north as does its non-breeding distribution. I would suggest Central Atlantic for the lead and subspecies sections.

The key is finding a source that describes it as such...goddamn HBW....still looking Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that you need a source to specifically state central Atlantic if the sources specifically state that it breeds on islands that are found there. The HBW also shows the feeding ranges as going north of the equator. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:04, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ok done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The information in the behaviour section (before you start the feeding section) is all morphological and would better sit in the description section

moved Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The ordering of the distribution section is weird - it starts wide, then discusses occasional vagrancy before explaining where they are most commonly found, then ends on vagrancy again. I would suggest starting wide, then the basic distribution, then the wandering and vagrancy section.

~~tried to make it species then subspecies, however will rejig~~ rejigged Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

in breeding, discussions of aggressiveness at nesting sites end the second and third paragraphs. Merge (probably at the end of the second paragraph

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:01, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It seems a shame that this fact from HBW is not covered In the White-tailed and Red-billed Tropicbirds ... or birds may carry out long downward glides, sometimes descending several hundred metres, with one bird flying immediately above the other; the bird on top lowers its wings and the one below raises its, so that the tips almost touch.

Sounds good. I'm not a subscriber so can't see that and the context. Its a mating or greeting display? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:09, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A breeding bird returns to its partner and nest location from the previous breeding cycle.[15] Perhaps a "usually" is needed here - their bonds aren't quite as life long as say an albatross.

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:37, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Worth mentioning that food for chicks starts as regurgitation and then moves to solids?

@Sabine's Sunbird: do you have a source for that? I will try and find some source material at the university library this week (including an authoritative range map!) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In threats, I would link to Abrolhos Archipelago rather than the marine park

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The threat presented by these cats has only appeared in recent years; tropicbirds on Saba have only been threatened since about 2000. This sentence is cimbersome and adds nothing to the example (which is about how cats are a threat

Cheers Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Distribution map would be nice, maybe an illustrative image of habitat for distribution section?
	7. Overall assessment.	I will add two facts I flagged as missing in my review and cite them before FAc but they are nice-to-haves so this passes. Good work. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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