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Serious POV issues

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Geez, was this page taken right from the campaign website? There will have to be some NPOV work here.Montco 03:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK I have made a number of changes to the article. Her campaign appears to have written the page originally. I am not going to argue whether or not she is even notable enough for WIki. But I think the changes should be acceptable for now. Montco 03:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, all those external news links that go to her campaign website are pretty weak.Mikelj 04:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I eliminated all of them. Someone from the campaign did go back and revert all of the changes though. If there is one that I left, I think its because there was no independent source available. But I attempted to restrict it to something factual, such as the case getting dismissed. Hard to lie about that and easy to verify if I actually wanted to put in the time. Montco 04:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed some more stuff. I'll see if I can't find that article on something besides her website.Mikelj 05:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks for the pick-up on the spelling errors. Its late. Montco 05:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you review the history, you'll find I started this article, just as I've contributed to many articles on politicians and others from my home state, Minnesota. I have no connection to Otto or her campaign. The original version contained simple biographical facts, not POV. I'm puzzled why some of those, such as the area she lives in, were dropped. Jonathunder 05:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No you're right and I apologize for the assertion that you did the blatant NPOV stuff. It wasn;t until the User:Ottocampaign got involved that the POV stuff was added. I certainly don;t have a problem with the biographical facts. Montco 05:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies as well if I deleted some biographical information, I was, as Montco was, just trying to eliminate "facts" that only referenced to campaign site press releases.Mikelj 05:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both. If User:Ottocampaign really is connected with the campaign, I would strongly encourage them to stay the heck away from editing this article. A Minnesota Congressman got lots of publicity he didn't want recently when staffers in his office kept editing his article (on taxpayer time) and identified themselves as acting on his behalf. Please read WP:AUTO and let Wikipedia's own processes keep this article nuetral and verifiable. Jonathunder 05:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DFL?

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Is the DFL refered to the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party? I am unfamiliar with Minnesota politics (or any politics outside of Louisiana for that matter!).Mikelj 05:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The very same. In the end, its just the Minnesota Democrats. I guess they like to do things a little differently in MN.Montco 05:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. In Minnesota, the Democratic Party is officially the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party: the result of a merger between the Democrats and the old Farmer-Labor Party. Here, the initials "DFL" are as widely used and understood as "GOP" is. Until a few years ago, Minnesota Republicans were officially the "Independent Republican" or "IR" Party. I believe we are the only state where party names don't exactly align with the national ones. Still, our politics aren't quite as colorful as those in Louisianna, or so I've heard. ;-) Jonathunder 05:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info. Unless one of your governors is going to die in federal prison (i.e. Edwin Edwards), but remains one of the most popular governors in state history, no its not quite as colorful. :)
Well, we did have Jesse Ventura. That was entertaining, wasn't it? Jonathunder 06:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Page under attack from anti-otto characters

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Geez, first I had the Otto campaign coming in with their own POV and now her opponents are coming after her. To both campaigns, if your strategy is to use Wikipedia as a campaign vehicle, then you are a pretty sad campaign. Door to door works better! Believe me. Montco 20:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I have most of the politicians from MN on my watchlist and it is a constant battle. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 03:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I know from first hand experience that both sides throughout MN are a vitriolic and vindictive crowd. --Tony 04:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We haven't reached that point in PA, but I am sure we'll catch up. In any case, in three days we can probably relax a bit...until the next election. Montco 06:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, I think the campaigning for 2008 will start in about December 06 -- Tony 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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