Talk:Razed to the Ground

I am obviously just getting started with making new entries, but I hope this is sufficient and I do hope to build on it a bit more as time goes on. There is album art which has been posted, but I'm not entirely sure who to contact to get the license for its use. Any help with that would be appreciated.

I am somewhat worried about coming across as being more promotional than informative, and this is not in the least my intention. Simply put; as a fan of music, I have always enjoyed having a Wikipedia article to read with any information available. Personally, I enjoy a lot of information... if I post information in anything on Wikipedia, I will do my best to make sure that it is accurate and able to be cited easily. I do not like articles written in a promotional fashion or those which come across as blatant advertisements.

One piece of information I would like to put in this particular article is a quote made by the producer about the album. It is posted openly on his Facebook page, and also linked on the band's page. Again- as a fan of music, I like information pertaining to the article at hand. With this band being in the genre it is, the attitude is aggressive and that is what is appealing about the quote. Given the work this producer has done in the past, I just feel this is quite an interesting thing to say about the album, and I think it is relevant. Please help me understand the grounds on things like this, because I would rather do things right the first time. Here is the post I'm talking about- https://www.facebook.com/chris.z.harris/posts/849106468499915?fref=nf

Thanks for any and all help.

• I've redirected this to Vision_of_Disorder#Discography since it is too soon for an entry and should not have been accepted, as it currently fails WP:NALBUM. Kethrus, the sourcing in this article does not assert that this unreleased album meets notability guidelines. This Facebook post is at best a WP:PRIMARY source. The Blabbermouth article appears to be a reprint of a press release, which would also make it primary. You can usually tell if it's a PR or not, as PR will typically refer to the topic in bolded, uppercase print. At best it's an article that is heavily based on a press release, which wouldn't make it something we could use as a WP:RS The LambGoat marks the article as a press release at the top of the page. Press releases are considered primary regardless of who posts it. In the end all we have are primary sources and we'd need a lot of secondary, independent sourcing to show that an album would meet notability guidelines prior to its release. In most cases albums won't pass until their release date, when they start getting review coverage and/or begin to chart. Please be more careful about verifying sources in the future. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

How do I file for dispute resolution? This is just ridiculous. In no more than 14 hours, I've been told of how many things I've done wrong, including my user name, which I've used for a very long time, and now this...

I am not promoting anything. Kethrus actually took into account what I was saying and that has been completely discarded now. I don't like being accused of such ridiculous things like promotional based writing, or even "possibly" doing so, and this just seems to me like someone simply doesn't like the topic, so it got cut. I want a neutral party to look at what I've said, both in this and especially with my user name, and get all this settled. I am not going to just sit back and let someone tell me I've done this or that when all I've done is try to get started. Digitalcomplex (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

• Kethrus is a newer user that is very, very unfamiliar with reliable source or notability guidelines. He's given out incorrect information to several individuals, which has resulted in him accepting articles before they are ready for the mainspace and giving out bad advice. I've already spoken with him and asked him not to work with AfC until he becomes more familiar with policy and guidelines. I'm sorry if you are upset, but this album does not pass notability guidelines at this point in time. I'll bring this up at third opinion, but the problem here still remains that the sourcing is not enough to pass notability guidelines and I've outlined why they are unacceptable for notability giving purposes above. All albums must pass WP:NALBUM in order to have an article on Wikipedia. I do apologize about the username, but you need to understand how I saw it: a user with very few edits making music related edits that has a username that is identical to the company Digital Complex Records. It is extremely common for companies to name their accounts after their company without knowing that this is not permitted, so it's understandable as to why I'd make this connection. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request (Should this album have a standalone article?):

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Razed To The Ground and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

I will only comment on the content and will not comment on user conduct, because this is the policy at WP:3O. I think the reasoning given by Tokyogirl79 is correct here: WP:NALBUM applies for notability. As far as I can see, this album is not passing the following point: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it. For people who search about the album by its name, the redirect link remains, so they will still be able to find this. Let me know if you have any questions with my reasoning. Kingsindian ♝♚ 20:00, 19 September 2015 (UTC)