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Serial number range may be wrong

I have one my dad gave me that he purchased new. It is still in the original box with the original receipt. The date on the receipt is 1984 and the serial number on the gun is 859*** this falls outside the range of the article. It is black metal with wood handgrips. MP-25 is stamped on the metal. The instructions in the box have the address as 1300 Bixby Dirve Industry, Calif. 91745

Miscellaneous older cleanup

"Semiautomatics hold at least seven and often as many as ten or twelve rounds of ammunition."

Uhh ... This might be why the article is tagged.

Stainless Chili 02:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard this claim anywhere else, and it's not mentioned on the Wiki entry on semiautomatics. The defining characteristic of a semiautomatic gun is that it requires only a trigger pull to fire a round. 24.151.79.108 01:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's not accurate to say that "[t]he defining characteristic of a semiautomatic gun is that it requires only a trigger pull to fire a round". This description also applies to double-action revolvers which also only require the trigger to be pulled (i.e. the hammer doesn't have to be manually thumbed back). The description also fits fully automatic weapons.

Also, semi-automatics have safeties, revolvers don't. Glock's pistols, in fact, have three safeties.

PainMan 02:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup tag

I think the tag can now be removed. Also there was a sentence that said "Both models have an odd safety catch that doubles as a slidelock." I have one of thees pistols (that's my mp25 in the pictures) and it doesn't have a slidelock, nor is the safety odd. I have made the comment hidden for now. --DanMP5 | contribs 20:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tone

Sounds like a press release from the company. 68.101.128.40 07:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrote unencyclopedic sentence

I changed the following sentence:

Jennings retired and sold the tooling from Raven Arms to the aptly-named Phoenix Arms, since it rose from the literal ashes of the earlier Raven Arms factory.

to

Jennings retired and sold Raven Arms designs to Phoenix Arms.

The original sentence sounds a little too, ah, poetic for a reference work.

PainMan 02:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is an obvious advertizing cliche to rename a company "Phoenix whatever" when formed after the "death" of a predeceeding entity to continue the same work. --Naaman Brown (talk) 11:57, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from article

There are conflicting views on the MP-25. Critics refer to it by the pejorative term "Saturday night special", as it is both easily concealed and affordable enough that the poor can afford to purchase it. However, according to Roy Innis, president of the activist group Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), "To make inexpensive guns impossible to get is to say that you're putting a money test on getting a gun. It's racism in its worst form."^[1] Some advocates of the pistol say that it is less prone to malfunction, despite its low cost.^[2]

^ Kopel, David B. (1988). "Trust the People: The Case Against Gun Control". Cato Policy Analysis No. 109. CATO Institute. {{cite conference}}: Unknown parameter |booktitle= ignored (|book-title= suggested) (help)

^ Hendrick, Hal W.; Paradis, Paul; Hornick, Richard J. (12 December 2010). Human Factors Issues in Handgun Safety and Forensics. CRC Press. pp. 77–81. ISBN 978-1-4200-6297-7.

The listed sources don't support the text. The first source makes no mention of Roy Innis, and the second source doesn't say anything (that I can find) about being less prone to malfunction (less than what?). I've moved the text here in case someone can repair it somehow. Rezin (talk) 20:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[CATO-Kopel-1] Kopel, David B. (1988). "Trust the People: The Case Against Gun Control". Cato Policy Analysis No. 109. CATO Institute. {{cite conference}}: Unknown parameter |booktitle= ignored (|book-title= suggested) (help)

[HendrickParadis2010-2] Hendrick, Hal W.; Paradis, Paul; Hornick, Richard J. (12 December 2010). Human Factors Issues in Handgun Safety and Forensics. CRC Press. pp. 77–81. ISBN 978-1-4200-6297-7.

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