Talk:Ranulf de Gernon, 4th Earl of Chester

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William Peverel

Anyone have any idea who he was, and why he wanted to kill ken 04:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)Chester?Fergananim 17:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ranulph de Gernon article

The article says "Ranulf married Maud, daughter of Robert, 1st Earl of Gloucester and inherited the earldom of Chester in 1128." I assume therefore he married in 1128 as well as inheriting the earldom. But his wife's page says "Sometime before 1141, possibly as early as 1135, Matilda married Ranulf de Gernon". Clarification needed!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:3B00:BB01:B589:BF3B:BD4B:9396 (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the whole article needs a thorough clean up.

It is incredibly easy to get confused about who the author is talking about half the time as he/she slips frequently between an Earl fighting another Earl and then using "he" as if we are supposed to inuitively know which one is being referred to!

The style is also a little sloppy and opinionated to say the least and the biographical details are absent or very sketchy.

There is no mention of Ranulph's alternative name of "Ranulph de Meschines" and we have to do arithmetic to calculate his date of birth (c1099/1100.). It would also be interesting to discover why he was termed "de Gernon" and if any other knights were given this name. Assuming Gernon is a place, where is it? (Gernon Castle Normandy).

No mention is made of his pedigree; who his parents were (Randle de Meschines (Ranulph III "le Briquessart" le Meschin, - 1st Earl of Chester - on wikipedia)/Emma d'Abrincis), who he is supposed to have been married to (Maud Fitzhaiman and/or Maud Fitzrobert) or who his children were (Hugh II de Kevelioc de Meschines).

ken 04:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ranulf was Ranulf IV de Meschines said de Gernon because he was born in that castle (Normandy). His father was Ranulf III de Meschines said "de Briquessart" and his mother was Lucy (2 times widow). Her genealogy is quite discussed, see there. His wife was Maud FitzRobert, daughter of Robert of Gloucester (they married before 1141). William de Roumare was his half-brother (through Lucy).

I wrote the french article. It's well documented, just pass it in an online translator to have a good base to begin :)

NB : a big load of text of that article must be cut off and transfered to the battle of Lincoln (1141).