Talk:Ranorex

Request to review new page for Ranorex (Company)

Dear Wikipedia Editors: I have a COI with Ranorex. There is already a page on Wikipedia called Ranorex, but this page describes the company's flagship product, Ranorex Studio. I would like to have this page created with the name "Ranorex" and at the same time, rename the existing Ranorex page to Ranorex Studio. Hopefully there would be no need for a disambiguation page. Jaking01 (talk) 10:54, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Request to update company headquarters, key people and other info that is now outdated due to acquisition by IDERA

Dear Wikipedia editors,

Some information on the Ranorex GmbH page is out of date due to the acquisition of Ranorex by Idera, Inc. To make the information current, please make the following changes:

Lead paragraph: change "Clearwater, Florida," to "Houston, Texas." The citations remain the same, however the date retrieved for citation #5 would change to the date of the edit.

Company Structure: 1st sentence please change "Clearwater Florida" to "Houston, Texas".

Company Structure: Please remove all of the text after the first sentence, and replace with the following text: Ranorex is part of the IDERA, Inc. testing tools family, which also includes TestRail by Gurock and Kiuwan.The citation for the new sentence is from the following URL: https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/idera-inc-acquires-kiuwan-and-bolsters-testing-tools-business-with-application-security-and-code-testing-capabilities-2018-10-05

Info box: Please remove the "Key people" section in its entirety; as none of the people listed are currently with Ranorex or Idera.

Jaking01 (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Reply 09-OCT-2018

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• An edit was made to the article by administrator Huon approximately 2 hours after this edit request was made. In their edit, text was removed which may or may not have corresponded with the text that the COI editor wished to remove. Huon did not indicate that their edit was connected to this COI edit request, by either responding here on the talk page, or by turning the template off. The fact that Huon's edit came 2 hours after the edit request makes it likely that they are connected, although it may have been just a coincidence. Until I hear otherwise, I'll proceed under the assumption that they are not connected and that a standing edit request still exists. My response to that request is the following:

1. Please provide English versions of the documents you'd like to use as references. If this is not possible, please provide the translation yourself by placing the translated text within the |quote= parameter of the citation template. Be sure to enter the page number into the |page= parameter.
2. The directions to "Please remove all of the text after the first sentence" is imprecise, as inside the wiki-formatted version of the subject article there is text which would not normally be removed (category sections, reference sections, etc.) This, a directive to remove "all the text" cannot be correct. Please provide a verbatim description of only the text which you wish to remove.

If the request has already been filled as I described above, then this message may be disregarded. If it hasn't, kindly provide the requested information and reopen the request at your earliest convenience. Regards,  Spintendo  02:26, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

My edit was prompted by the edit request although it is only marginally related to it. Much of the content of the article, both the old version and the proposed update, was based on inappropriate sources such as the company's own website or press releases. I have removed much of that, but what remains is still extremely weakly sourced and to a large degree based on a pamphlet promoting Graz as a place of business. I don't see that any of the sources meet WP:CORPDEPTH and that the company is notable. I'll thus redirect the page to Ranorex Studio. Whether that is notable is debatable, too, but at a glance there seem to be a few independent reviews, allowing for a stronger case in favor of notability. Turning the page into a redirect will, of course, moot the edit request. Huon (talk) 10:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Huon and Spintendo. Thank you for your thoughtful review my edit request. Could you reconsider the removal of this page? I'll be happy to provide an English translation for the German sections. Regarding notability, Ranorex has been named a market leader in the software testing industry by both Gartner and Forrester and is covered by Bloomberg. Would you consider citations to those sources to be sufficient notability? I feel that it's helpful to have separate pages for the Ranorex Studio and the company Ranorex, and not merely redirect to one of the company's products, because the two are often confused. But Ranorex makes other products besides Ranorex Studio. Regarding the notability of Ranorex Studio, it is part of Gartner's Magic Quadrant for software testing, Zion Research named it a market leader, and it's been part of the GUI Testing Tools page for years, a page which itself has survived several delete requests. Bottom line: the company and tool are well-known in the software testing industry, even if the industry itself is not well-known outside the field of IT. Jaking01 (talk) 11:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The Zion Research report that was cited as a source is listed as "upcoming". It's also hidden behind a US$4,000 paywall, putting it out of reach of most readers who want to verify what it says. Have you read that report (if it actually is available at this time)? Can you provide a short quote of what Zion says about Ranorex beyond "market leader" (what does that mean)? The Gartner report is a steal in comparison, at only $1,995. Having put a dot on a square, however, is hardly the sigificant coverage we need to establish notability. Is there some meaningful information beyond labeling them a "niche player" (which to me is quite the opposite of a market leader)? Wikipedia itself is useless for establishing notability. Huon (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Huon. Thanks again for the quick reply. I'll be happy to work on additional sources to establish notability. There is this one that lists Ranorex with Selenium and HP UFT under the heading "Continuous automated testing and integration" - the name is just tossed out with the expectation that the reader will be familiar with it. Is this the type of article that you would like to see? I have found quite a few market analysis reports that identify Ranorex itself as a "key player," such as this research report. Given that the summary of the report is freely available, would that be acceptable? I might have missed it, but I didn't see anything in the Wikipedia guidlines on notability that forbids using sources strictly on the basis of a paywall. However, the Ranorex GmbH page was reviewed several months ago and there wasn't a notability issue raised at that time. If there is a concern about notability now, shouldn't the page go through a regular deletion review process so that other editors can participate in the decision? Jaking01 (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jaking01: Do you have access to the Gartner and Zion Research reports? Does the latter actually exist at this time? Medium is not reliable since everybody can write anything there, without editorial oversight. (Also, that's a passing mention that devotes less than one sentence to Ranorex.) Regarding Wiseguyreports, let me quote the first sentence: "In 2017, the global Automation Testing market size was million US$ and it is expected to reach million US$ by the end of 2025, with a CAGR of during 2018-2025." They haven't even managed to fill in the numbers. Their "About" page has a grammar error right in the subtitle. I have serious doubts about the reliability of an organization which cannot get their self-aggrandization grammatically correct. Luckily they didn't actually write the report (though the missing numbers indeed are the authors' fault, and I have similar doubts about their reliability). Do you have access to the report itself? What does it say about Ranorex? The publicly available content that I found doesn't provide any meaningful information on Ranorex and is useless. Huon (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Huon: Hi Huon. Yes, I have access to the Gartner report, although I am not certain that will be helpful in this context. That Gartner and Zion chose to announce they've included Ranorex in their market coverage is public information, but the detailed analysis itself is copyrighted and could not be quoted in the article. What you you think about restoring the page, and then submitting it for the normal deletion review process so that other editors can give their opinion on the notability issue? Jaking01 (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Here you are. Huon (talk) 10:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Removing badly-sourced spam

Walter Görlitz re-added unreliably-sourced, promotional content although he agreed that the removal was "fine". There is no reason to have that stuff in the article, not even for the course of the deletion discussion. I'll remove it again and would like some explanation on how it improves the article if someone wishes to re-add it. Huon (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Huon: I'd soon have some explanation of how you feel it's promotional content and then after gutting the article, to nominate it for deletion. Don't remove it again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

• "In July 2017, Zion Market Research identified Ranorex as a key player in the global automated software testing market." - not true but clearly promotional. Even if the statement were true, "key player" is so vague that it's unhelpful without context.
• "| num_employees = 100+" - contradicted by a reliable secondary source (which you removed in the process) but makes the company sound more impressive.
• "As of September 2017, more than 3,500 customers in over 60 countries were using the company's flagship product, Ranorex Studio." - "Look how big and important we are!" Would need secondary sources providing context, except no secondary source seems to have bothered mentioning such trivia.
• "Reception of this early version was positive, earning recognition at the 2006 .NET conference in Switzerland, Austria, and Germany, the BASTA." - I have doubts it's true, and it's certainly not supported by the given sources. Do I need to explain how unsourced praise is promotional?

Admittedly the details about Graz were more off-topic than spam, and much of the rest was just irrelevant trivia that no independent source found worthy of mention. Apparently (see edit request above) much of the rest is outdated, too. The burden of evidence is on the editor who wants the content included.

Regarding the AfD: I removed the unreliably-sourced, off-topic, wrong and spammy content and found that what remained did not meet either WP:GNG or WP:CORP (though I accept that you may disagree with that assessment if you think that a piece promoting local business, the Gartner report and some routine business coverage suffice). Thus I turned the page into a redirect to the page about the product. When the redirect was contested, I started the discussion to ascertain the fate of the article, following the procedure outlined in WP:BLAR. Huon (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Request change to name of page

Hello Wikipedia editors. I would like to request that the name of this page be changed from Ranorex GmbH to simply Ranorex. There is currently a redirect in place for Ranorex to its flagship product, Ranorex Studio. Most people searching for the company will not use the GmbH designator, especially since the headquarters is in Houston, Texas. The company is also listed on the Idera, Inc. page along with other subsidiaries of Idera, so we would need to update the link there as well. Please note that I am a COI editor as disclosed on my personal page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaking01 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please follow the WP:RM process. Melmann 22:54, 9 July 2021 (UTC)