Talk:Rama Kulasekhara

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Is this the same as the Nayanar Saint Cheraman Perumal? If not, I suggest that there be a disambiguation page.

Whats going on here? It is almost a known fact now that the legend of Cheraman (or Cheran) Perumal converting to Islam is false. Even staying within the 'Kali Yuga' and the tenets of 'conventional history' while the existence of such a Perumal is not doubted, scholars do not know exactly when the Perumal lived as I have come across at least four possible dates ranging from before 400 AD to 800 AD. The legend of his converting to Islam probably arose as a justification of Islamisation of the region and the emergence of the Muslim Royal Family that is the Arakkal (which in came into being as a result of marriage between a younger Chirakkal Princess and an Arab some time in the Seventh Century of the Common Era). In fact this Perumal was in *ALL* probability a Hindu (Shaivite) saint and one of the 63 Nayanars of South India. I have deleted the last part of the article that says that he converted to Islam after meeting the Prophet and other such events. Also it is not exactly true that the Arabs were 'thugs' before Islamisation. The Malabar Coast and the whole of the Tamilagam region had been trading with all great cultures of known history from 3000 BC and with the Arabs long before the birth of Islam. They would not have been trading with them had they been 'thugs'.

The phrase, "It is almost a known fact" doesn't make any sense. Assuming what is really meant by that is, 'it is a known fact', the question is: fact according to what, or who proved the legend false? (No one has proven it either way; wouldn't that be the real fact?)

As for the article, it is supposed to be about Cheraman Perumal, but all it talks about is the legend! A proper article should speak about the person, then mention the legend, just as a legend, and yes, not as a fact. This article should be re-done. 192.30.202.18 18:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to new page

The article has been moved to the original name of the last of the Chera king who is alleged to have converted to islam. The article has been revamped with available information and references added. thank u.

Choosetocount (talk) 13:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moving on from Elamkulam

This essay seems to be created based on sources such as William Logan, Sreedhara A Menon, Elamkulam P. N. Kunjan Pillai etc.

Modern Kerala historians, such as M. G. S. Narayanan, M. R. Raghava Warrier, Rajan Gurukkal and Kesavan Veluthat, has came to somewhat different conclusions. I am trying to change these articles according to the views of these historians. Views of these historians, authorities on Kerala history, are disputed by none in the "history community". The view of Elamkulam P. N. Kunjan Pillai: discredited now-days.

Chronology of the Cera Perumals of Makotai as suggested by Elamkulam P. N. Kunjan Pillai is no longer used by researchers in any university. The article is still using these dates.

Please stop reverting my edits and help in my efforts. --Hareeshh (talk) 07:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed to merge Cheraman Perumal myths page into this article

The article Cheraman Perumal myths seems to be largely a discussion of myths surrounding the last Later Chera ruler, who is the subject of this article. There doesn't seem to be any additional information deserving of a separate article. So I am tagging the articles as To be merged. Any thoughts on this can be communicated either here or on my talk page. (gnanvit (talk) 10:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC))[reply]