Talk:Raja Prithu

Prithu is a legendary character of unknown period and unknown lineage

Prithu is a legendary character based on traditions. No one knows for sure when and where he ruled, considering that he existed. The Muslim chronicles and epigraphs simply mention the king of Kamrupa as Rae/ Raja of Kamrupa, not by any particular name. These speculative claims by Sarkar are outdated and based on K.L.Barua's History of Kamrupa. Kanaklal Barua has fabricated his own version of history by manipulating facts as he pleases. Have a look at the content first.Ananya Taye (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

You are supposed to cite sources for your information instead of relying on your own research. Chaipau had also reverted you, that means you should get consensus instead of edit warring. Shashank5988 (talk) 07:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

A proper source has been added setting in rest to the bogus claim. Go through the edit. There was no king of Kamrupa named Prithu.Ananya Taye (talk) 06:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Sources from 1946 and 1953 cannot be used for countering 21st century reliable sources. See WP:HISTRS. Shashank5988 (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Minhaj

@Chaipau: where is this place called Minhaj located in present day map? Assam, West Bengal, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh?? Homogenie (talk) 16:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:CIR. Minhaj is a chronicler, not a place. Chaipau (talk) 18:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Prithu

@Chaipau: If Prithu is just tentatively identified with Visvasundara, does it deserve to be here?? just like the guess work of Bakata by Wade!! Homogenie (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The analogy is not correct. Please point to the correct Wikipedia policies. In this case, there is a better agreement on the identification (both Sarkar and Boruah). S L Barua also agrees. Here it is appropriate to mention Bhattasali, even though he is in a minority. K L Barua's opinion is not counted here. The identity: Prithu (mentioned in the chronicles) is Viswasundara (mentioned in Gachtal inscription). This identification is done explicitly in secondary sources and is not the opinion of Wikipedia editors. Chaipau (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: The citation is not of S.L Boruah but Nirode Boruah (2011), the full quote : The identity of Prithu is very difficult to establish. Sources are not available to identify him as a Pala ruler in Pragjyotisha. He is believed to be the Kamarupa ruler who had to face and had successfully repulsed the first two Turko-Afghan invasions which came from Bengal in 1205-06 and in 1226-28 AD.p.82 Nowhere in the quote is Prithu identified with Visvasundara.

The later half of the quote : After a detalied discussion on the identity of Prithu, K.L Barua came to the conclusion that "it is very probable that this Prithu Raja was the king of Kamarupa who caused the destruction of Bukhtiyar's forces in 1206 AD, who in 1227 A.D repulsed.." So Nirode Boruah repeats the same statement of K.L Baruah, which Bhattasali disproved of. Even Minhaj-i-Siraj's Tabaqat-i Nasiri which is the primary source doesnot talk about Prithu but Rai of Kamrup. From where has K.L Baruah taken the primary source and claimed Prithu to be the king of Kamarupa?? Homogenie (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Here is the text from PC Choudhury: "the name of the king then ruling was Bartu, or Prthu. In the opinion of Wolseley Haig, this Bartu was no other than a Kamarupa king, who not only defeated Bakhtiyar but also Sultan Ghiasuddin in A.D. 1226, and was ultimately overthrown by Nasiruddin" (p276). So you have K L Barua, P C Chudhury, Wolseley Haig, Nirode Boruah and S L Barua agreeing Prithu was a king from Kamarupa. Bhattasali's objection is noted in the article, even though you don't require it under WP:DUE. Chaipau (talk) 11:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: What is primary source of the PC CHoudhury and Wolseley?? we know S.L Baruah and Nirode Baruah just repeats the claim of K.L Baruah. In page 628 of Minhaj-i-Siraj's Tabaqat-i Nasiri, Bartu is the ruler of Awadh, can you just provide the primary source of P.C Choudhury and Wolseley!! look WP:SECONDARYNOTGOOD Homogenie (talk) 12:35, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Could you tell me properly what the issue here is? Most of the information comes from other sources, not Minhaj. Chaipau (talk) 13:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

What other sources are used to find the identity of Raja prithu by P.C Choudhury, he took it from Wolseley!! or from other source?? The journal are unable to fullfill the first point of WP:SECONDARYNOTGOOD

• It has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Homogenie (talk) 14:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make a point about the source of P C Choudhury's assertion, please go ahead and access his book, which is freely available on the web. But I am not sure how that is relevant here. Furthermore, the claim most scholars do not accept Bhattasali's assertion has a reliable source - S L Baruah (1986). Chaipau (talk) 22:20, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: so primary source says Bartu of Oudh and Rae of Kamrup. and many other scholars claimed that Minhaj is wrong, how did they come to that conclusion, how did they find the link between Bartu and Rae of Kamrup. S.L Baruah just repeats Wolseley claim! it seems they have repeated Wolseley claim for over 70 years! look WP:SECONDARYNOTGOOD WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD! Homogenie (talk) 03:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)