Talk:Raising Arizona/Archive 1

Archive 1

This article is a bag of shit

"where my seed could find no perches"... it's PURCHASS, stupid asses. And the guy above is right, it's like someone's lame book report. I will fix it!

Um ... actually, it's 'purchase'. :) Proto::type 14:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Untitled

I changed "little noticed" to "not a blockbuster". It was not a flop or anything, I think it is more like a "sleeper hit", that is, a movie which wasn't heavily promoted, but was able to build an audience by word of mouth and some promotion by friendly critics. The imdb.com entry shows $22M b.o. on an estimated $6M budget, certainly a success for a modest-budget film in 1987. Any thoughts? Ellsworth 22:25, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The article on this page has been terribly written and the discussion of theme and symbolism couldn't be more wrong. The entire article seems like it was written as a 3rd grade book report. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.111.234 (talk) 04:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Really, I couldn't agree more -- especially on the "character analysis", which I got rid of. The first two lines of it were,

"The characters of this film really make the theme of this movie come to life. The characters are very original and convincing."

That's not factual at all. It was pure opinion, not even widespread opinion. I don't want to be a total jerk here, but the article is very poorly written and a lot of it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, period. Eeblefish — Preceding undated comment added 23:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I dont think William Forsythe is in this film. The actor linked to this name is not the man who plays the part.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasquatchuk (talk • contribs) 01:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Unpainted Huffhines

In the trivia section regarding Nathan Arizona's name, I added his birth name "Huffhines" and why he changed it. Anynobody 07:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Clips from this movie

Does anyone else remember clips from this movie being used for a high school motivational movie in the late 80's?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Randalthor704 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 8 March 2007

Not me. That would be a hoot! Do you remember anything about the motivational movie? --EarthPerson 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Removing "Arizona St." reference

In the final dream sequence, Nathan Jr's shown running for a touchdown. Enblazoned on the front of his jersey is the word "Arizona" in metallic gold lettering. Earlier in the film, Frances McDormand's character "Dot" makes an assertion that Nathan Jr will attend Arizona St for college. However, I believe there is minor symbolism in this scene to proport that Nathan Jr absolutely did not attend ASU. While the team colors for Nathan Jr's team bear no resemblance to neither the University of Arizona nor ASU, the team colors of the opposing team in the sequence bear a striking resemblance to Arizona State University. Because of the ambiguity of the specific college Nathan attended, I chose not to indicate a specific college. However, I feel certain that, after viewing this movie countless times since its release, there is zero empirical or explicit evidence that be attended ASU. Moreover, I think given the color scheme of the opposing team, it is more likely that Nathan Jr attended the University of Arizona and the producers of the film where unable to use UA's colors due to licensing concerns. And in case you're wondering, I'm on Spring Break and I have WAY too much time on my hands right now!! --Twiddy —Preceding comment was added at 20:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Symbolism

The entire "symbolism" section is highly speculative, has no sources, and the allusions and conclusions made are tenuous at best. Does anyone else agree that its entirely superfluous and adds no value to the article? Also, some of the trivia is barely relevant to the movie, some contains speculation and the "Norse God" item even admits that the factoid is probably a coincidence. This article is in dire need of a clean-up.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Raphaelaarchon (talk • contribs) 08:27, 20 May 2007

Under Symbolism, I will gladly put the bit about the escape resembling birth into the plot. (I added it originally.) The whole connections between H.I. and Smalls does seem odd. Under Trivia, the item about Barry Goldwater seems interesting enough. I'd also keep the bit about Hudsucker Industries. I'd keep these and work them into the plot. The rest is pretty "fluffish".  :) What does anyone else think? --EarthPerson 19:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, just wanted to put in that I've certainly noted similiarities between the biker and HI, right down to duplicated shots in the previously mentioned scenes. Having this discussion here in mind, I found a book called "The Philosophy of the Coen Brothers" last week, and in its first chapter the author addresses this subject. I shall get the citation info and add it, if there are no objections.Artemisstrong (talk) 04:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed section

I've re-removed this section on the following grounds.

I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information...

–Jimmy Wales

Please do not re-add this section. Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Arizona "Retaining" The Biker

Nathan Arizona, played by Trey Wilson, never retained the services of the biker dude to find the baby. It's more like the guy showed up in his office and told him that only he would find the baby, and demanded more money than Arizona was willing to anty up.

Zepp007

Already been changed--Vonbontee (talk) 06:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL!!^^^^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.231.110 (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Music: "Down in the willow garden"

The traditional ballad "Down in the Willow Garden" is sung once and played several times during the film. Where should it be mentioned?

If you can find a citation for it then I'd add it to the production section towards the end under a heading saying "Music" or "Post-production". Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

The only source I can cite is the film itself. The first time I saw it, the haunting melody in question impressed itself on me even more than the yodel/cattle-call number officially listed as the theme. The second time, I was listening for it and caught these lines from the lullaby being sung by Holly Hunter's character to the kidnaped child --

"scaffold now waits for me" and "murder that dear little girl" A Google search against those two phrases brought me "Down in the Willow Garden", eg at URL http://edit.mp3lyrics.org/n/nick-cave/the-willow-garden/ A Youtube search against "Down in the Willow Garden" offered me several alternatives. If, for example, you play Art Garfunkle's version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQo26Uz4bCg you will recognize the melody. Incidentally, I am no longer sure it is a "traditional" ballad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcunn (talk • contribs)

• See Down in the Willow Garden, which I just wrote. It is a traditional ballad, it probably derived from 19th century Irish ballads and is known in the US from the early 20th century. It was indeed in the film, I will add it with a citation. Fences&Windows 20:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

pete seeger?

en definitiva y aclarando, el tema es de pete seeger de aquel albun de los años cuarenta?,..., o volvio a grabarlo para la pelicula?.... o alguien hizo una versión de ese tema? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.91.142.201 (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

disagreement on "local dialect"

I lived in Arizona for five years - nobody who lives there talks like any of these characters (if anything, they talk like characters from Fargo). Why would the Coen brothers make everybody talk like they were from Tennessee? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.20.138 (talk) 04:25, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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