Talk:Raid on Silves (1197)

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Almohad victory?

Given that (1) there is only one primary source, (2) it says nothing of the Almohads or resistance and (3) it describes the city as completely destroyed, how can this be called an Almohad victory? They were crusaders who clearly had no intention of holding the city themselves. They could have turned it over to the Portuguese but chose not to. There isn't a whiff of any Almohad victory here, just, as Claudia Naumann, says, a revenge raid with no higher purpose. Pinging @R Prazeres: for his opinion. Srnec (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well that was quick: Alejandro775 has been blocked as a sockpuppet of a familiar LTA, as I suspected. @Srnec, do you think there's enough of your work here to retain the article or should I nominate it for speedy deletion per WP:G5? R Prazeres (talk) 21:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leave it. I added Naumann and checked all the sourcing. It's basically a rewrite. I am not at all surprised, of course, that we were dealing with a sock. These insta-articles built around the infobox result field are a tell. Srnec (talk) 23:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, thanks. R Prazeres (talk) 23:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@R Prazeres @Srnec This is my new account and I am the author of the article. I would like to say that I understand your hatred for the battles of the Almohads and that you are trying to find any excuse, even if it is small, to delete my article and this is clear. As for this Bokkos, I do not know him. I think he is an invented puppet, As for whether this is a Almohad victory or not, I have two sources that prove that. ^[1]^[2]The campaign against Sylvester was a miserable failure and they could not control it, and this is clear in the text, but Wikipedia, the largest platform for falsifying history in the world, will not accept these sources, even though they are clear secondary sources. I would like to say that even if you can forge Wikipedia, you will not be able to forge the preserved history books. Cresco634 (talk) 09:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think revealing that you've created a new account after being banned is a good idea.. RobertJohnson35 (talk) 10:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Hurlock, Kathryn; history), Paul Oldfield (Lecturer in medieval (2015). Crusading and Pilgrimage in the Norman World. Boydell & Brewer. ISBN 978-1-78327-025-5.
^ Marques, António Henrique R. de Oliveira; Massa, Jean-Michel (1998-01-01). Histoire du Portugal et de son empire colonial (in French). KARTHALA Editions. ISBN 978-2-86537-844-9.

[1] Hurlock, Kathryn; history), Paul Oldfield (Lecturer in medieval (2015). Crusading and Pilgrimage in the Norman World. Boydell & Brewer. ISBN 978-1-78327-025-5.

[2] Marques, António Henrique R. de Oliveira; Massa, Jean-Michel (1998-01-01). Histoire du Portugal et de son empire colonial (in French). KARTHALA Editions. ISBN 978-2-86537-844-9.

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