Talk:Rahaf Mohammed

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This article was nominated for deletion on 7 January 2019. The result of the discussion was Speedy keep.

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What is wrong with those delete happy people? Bohbye (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing the AfD discussion, at this point I'd say it looks like this article may be here to stay. I would like to imagine that WP may have helped, just a wee bit, in saving Rahaf's neck (along with many other concerned folks outside of WP). We will never know, but still it's a nice thing to wonder about. I like to believe that on rare occasion, getting a clearer view of the truth into the hands of those who need it the most, can sometimes even help, just a little, to save lives, and that perhaps this may have been one of those rare occasions. Things like this article, and the good efforts of others here, make me just a little bit happier to be a WP editor. One passer by (talk) 14:54, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Social media and particularly Twitter saved her life. WP for whatever reason is not even showing on Google which is a shame. I would like to see a section on the role of social media in her case, it has gone viral within minutes of her initial posts in Arabic and created a firestorm even the junta of Thailand couldn’t ignore. --Bohbye (talk) 06:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link to original AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun --Bohbye (talk) 20:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's already present, above, in an {{Old AfD multi}} template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn’t. Fixed it with my last edit. --Bohbye (talk) 19:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name

In one of the tweets cited, Rahaf says "My name is Rahaf Mohammed Mutlaq Alqunun". Should we use that, or "Rahaf Mohammed Alqunun", as the preferred spelling in, and title of, this article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Her passport photo has her full name in English, her twitter handle in Arabic matches the article name as well. Bohbye (talk) 22:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic names are often difficult to find an accurate "Romanized translation" for, that all could agree upon. I would suggest, let's leave the article where it is, and set up redirects from all other possible "Romanized translations" of her name (as has already begun). On other such articles, I've run across this "Best Arabic name translation" problem before, and never found the "perfect" translation, after several article moves. Much needless energy could be spent here on a rather minor point that might never be easily or fully answered. One passer by (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Arabic)#Definite_article for discussion of al- vs Al- . Boud (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She dropped her family name according to multiple news sources, and now she goes by Rahaf Mohammed. --Bohbye (talk) 12:13, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Box for deleted /archived tweet

The article features this archived tweet in a dedicated box, and since her Twitter account is currently disabled, the original link is dead and there is no option to add an archive link on that template. Can someone create a similar box that will quote the tweet and link to the archived tweet instead? Thank you. --Bohbye (talk) 08:52, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bohbye: Please ask at Template talk:Tweet. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for the suggestion. Bohbye (talk) 21:49, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Archive URLs

Why are many of the citations, which are not dead links, now using Archive.org URLs? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because so many links stop working within a few weeks and that way they are captured. Bohbye (talk) 23:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just the week time scale that's important: some websites disappear after a year or so, or after 5 years or so (an eternity in the Internet Epoch) change their system of URLs without leaving in redirects. This is especially a problem in places (much of the world) where journalists and newspapers are under threat (physical, legal, ...) - should a repressive government (or non-state actor) be able to make sources of knowledge disappear, so that what used to be "knowledge" becomes unverifiable? For the "regular" mainstream newspapers, there's a long-term risk that some of them might go behind paywalls, to "monetize" their archives. Better have an archival copy rather than have a reader come along 5 years later and wonder whether the source really did claim would-be fact X. See also WP:WikiProject Countering systemic bias.

There's also not much chance of archiving a website once it's already a dead link. Boud (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The question was why the citations were using Archive URLs (I fixed it by adding |deadlink=no); not whether the pages should be archived, which can be done independent of Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, what you meant was to ask why the citations were using the archive URLs as the most prominent link even though the original links are not dead. Now that's clearer. Even with dead-url=no, the archive URLs are still used, they're just not so prominent. I didn't realise that the dead-url= parameter switched the way of displaying the info, though I normally have included dead-url=no on the assumption that it might be used sooner or later. Now I see that it is used, in a way that makes sense. I've now switched to deadurl=yes on Hatoon al-Fassi's official university URLs - a perfect example of a repressive government trying to wipe an academic off the face of the map... Boud (talk) 23:16, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Photos and videos

Please don’t upload / add to the article any images or videos that are not in public domain or not explicitly authorized by the copyright holders. No video or images uploaded to any platform by a third party marked as authorized to free re-use makes those videos or images free for use. That includes someone adding translations to a video and releasing them. Those are stolen and are copyrights violations. Bohbye (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Arranged" or "Forced" marriage ?

I am a Japanese Wikipedian. While translating this article into Japanese, I was bewildered with the passage "...wanted her to enter into an arranged marriage...", for this seems more likely to be a forced marriage. In reporting this case, Japanese news sources use the expression to mean the latter. Did her family simply want her to go into an arranged marriage, allowing her chance to reject it, or forced her such a marriage ?--山田晴通 (talk) 18:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edited the page to reflect the correct terms. Bohbye (talk) 15:25, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary of Rahaf

Documentary of Rahaf from inside the barricaded hotel in Bangkok all the way to Canada, added it under the "External links" as well. --Bohbye (talk) 23:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Onlyfans

Why is there no information on her onlyfans profile ? Sandmanstilllives (talk) 17:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the sources on it were unreliable but I checked in Arabic and it was covered in a number of national publications, so I've updated the article. Chagropango (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paternity of daughter

Hi, OhNoitsJamie.

A cursory search in Arabic shows considerable coverage of the uncertain paternity of her daughter, for example:

Here

All of the sources appear to be based mainly on social media posts made by Lovolo Randi (alternate spelling Lofulo Randy), but it is also mentioned that the Canadian police intervened in early June of 2021.

The story is also corroborated to some extent by public social media posts by the subject as well.

Do you think that these sources are adequate to warrant inclusion?

Chagropango (talk) 17:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RT is most definitely not a reliable sources. This is essentially tabloid/gossip stuff, and WP:BLP mandates strong sourcing for inclusion of these sorts of statements, especially when most of it is based solely on the statements of another party (the ex husband). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]