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The Team behind Rafa

Rafa's close-knitted team: physical trainer/physiotherapist Rafael Maymo, Publicist/public relations manager Benito Perez-Barbadillo, Manager/Agent Carlos Costa, and coach/uncle is ofcourse Toni nadal, "These four people are the main structure of the team"--Rafa is not alone article other mentions: Doctor Angel Ruiz Cotorro, Tuts from Nike, his friends Tomeu and Marc Lopez. Other sources here and here and and group foto--Anen87 (talk) 20:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Rafael Nadal's statistics

Many of Rafael's statistics (like prize money, career wins, grand slam wins) are wrong; I would fix these myself but I am not authorized to do so. If someone has access to the page, please revert it to Jzrnsk's version (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rafael_Nadal&oldid=345151482). That one is more accurate. Mikad7 (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Careers and article length (issues)

Per a discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis, it seems like a good idea to move the details of Rafa's career to Rafael Nadal career biography, as was done with Roger's career biography. The article is currently 79 kilobytes long and dividing the article would increase its speed time. Also, with separate articles, more details can be added to the career biography and there would be no issues with article size. Anyone else have an opinion on the separation of articles? oncamera^(t) 23:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• The article length indicates that a split is probably desirable but by no means essential - see WP:SPLIT, which notes that "discussion on the article talk page or associated WikiProject is a way of seeking a consensus". andy (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a discussion on the Tennis WikiProject. The division of articles is not a content fork; it's a means to reduce the sizes of the articles without having the delete a ton of information from Wikipedia. How is that contrary to the guidelines? See: Article spinouts – "Summary style" articles. Also, WP:BOLD. oncamera^(t) 00:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

• No problem. The issue is one of seeking consensus for a huge change to a long established article. andy (talk) 00:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree this needs to be split, which I will work on it, and since the Australian Open is comming up we will get much feedback!BLUE_DOG^TN 00:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't think there will be a lot of people who will disagree this article should be split. I think it's ok to go ahead and make the changes now before the Australian Open! If anyone disagrees, they/we can discuss it further anyway. oncamera^(t) 00:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Please flag up such major splits from the individual articles and give people time to respond. Articles are not owned by a wikiproject. One problem you may not have considered is that people will continue to regularly add information to both articles and this could actually be difficult to manage. Also do not mark such edits as minor. Polargeo (talk) 05:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry for the minor edit problem, but do not be distasteful with the project ownership because without the project tennis articles would have no consistency at all, and be random chaos thank you.69.137.120.81 (talk) 05:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually go to WP:Tennis because their is where the ongoing discussion is taking palace about the horid article lenghts.69.137.120.81 (talk) 05:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Project tennis can have an overview yes. All I am asking is a simple flagging up of the split on the individual articles and not marking the edits as minor. When you do the notification you can refer to the wikiproject talk and give people who monitor the article time to respond. this will not stop the split and is just courtesy. Polargeo (talk) 06:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Career Info on right sidebar

There are multiple issues with the career stats on the right sidebar at the top of the page. His career prize money is wrong, his grand slam stats are wrong (having him winning ones he didn't and others that haven't occurred yet) and his ranking is wrong and has a date that has not yet come to pass on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.61.236 (talk) 00:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Fixed the recent vandalism. oncamera^(t) 00:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Rafa's weight is also wrong. According to all updated sources, except for this site, Rafa weighs 188 pounds, not 190. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.73.31 (talk) 23:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Slow play/gamesmanship suggestions

Nothing in the article about his slow play? There's, for example, this reference, used in another article. It's also very frequently referred to in commentary, both on the BBC and on Eurosport. (Both pace between points, and the amount of time he absorbs in warmups, making others wait for him at changes of end, coming off the court, etc.) Smartiger (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Another possible reference: [1]. (Both Soderling and Agassi giving out yards.) Smartiger (talk) 16:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

If you decide to add this to his article, I suggest keeping it short(er) and neutral like... "There have been criticisms by both players and commentary that..." but I think it's less important about the commentators since it's their job to talktalktalk, and more important if his fellows players think he should speed it up. I've read a few articles where he said himself he's trying to speed things up... and of course, the head judge can give him time violations if it's really that bad. oncamera^(t) 16:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

If you have references for the "trying to speed it up" line (which does ring a bell), that's all to the good. You're probably right about the commentators, and in any case I don't have sources for those anyway. Just mentioning it in the context of a "climate of comment" about the issue. Smartiger (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I found this blog Rafa wrote during the 2009 French Open and he answers this question, "How do you feel when you receive a warning or a penalty point against you for taking time between points?" and he responds, I know that sometimes I can play slow. If I get that warning I will try to play a bit fasters, meaning in between points. His typical no-answer answer by the way. Interesting while looking for that, I saw that others complain about Djokovic doing the same here. I don't know if that could be included here, but maybe something on Djokovic's article could be added too. oncamera^(t) 03:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not aware of Djoko getting quite as much stick for this, but maybe it's simply because Nadal is the higher-profile player. Could certainly be added there, especially if there are multiple sources for that, too. Personally I found his complaints that he ought to have been warned that he was going to be given a warning mildly hilarious. 84.203.34.101 (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Rafa's ATP Ranking

{{editsemiprotected}} This page states that Rafa is currently number 4 in the ATP ranking. This is wrong. It might become true as of next Monday, Feb. 1st, but in the current ATP ranking, dating from the 18th of Jan., Nadal is still Number two. The ranking gets updated only every Monday and not during running tournaments (currently Melbourne). Either this page should state "is currently ranked No 2" or "is currently ranked No 2 and will drop to No 4 on Feb 1" if the latter is already a fact, which I do not know for sure. Source: www.atptennis.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumelinho (talk • contribs) 10:38, 27 January 2010 UTC

I imagine it's possible to "do the maths" for oneself; there's a table over at Australian Open 2010#Singles Seeds, which certainly seems to imply that Djokovic will pass Nadal in the rankings, and that Murray could do so too. Though I don't think that latter is at all certain -- doesn't he have to win another match? But that could be seen as WP:SYNTH, so yes, a source would be required, and your suggested wording would indeed seem to be preferable. AFP, for example, merely says "likely imminent loss of his number two world ranking". 84.203.34.101 (talk) 18:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

 Not done The Web site ranks Nadal as number 2. --The New Mikemoral ♪♫ 21:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Eh, that *is* the edit being requested. Someone else already took care of it. Smartiger (talk) 03:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Poor grammar

This, from the Career section, is dreadful:

Rafael Nadal is an accomplished and renowned world class clay court tennis player, which he has won four consecutive French Open's from 2005–2008, and won two other slams off of the red clay on grass at the 2008 Wimbledon Championships and on hard at the 2009 Australian Open. He has a storied rivalry with one of the greatest tennis players of all-time Roger Federer, which Nadal leads in the overall record.

I propose:

Rafael Nadal is an accomplished and renowned world class clay court tennis player. He has won four consecutive French Open titles (2005 - 2008). He has also shown his ability on other surfaces, having won on grass at Wimbledon (2008) and on the hard court of the Australian Open (2009). Rafa holds the edge in the head-to-head matchup with his main rival, Roger Federer, thought to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Chimpo (talk • contribs) 06:24, January 30, 2010

I like the changes! I think you should go ahead and make them; it reads a lot smoother. oncamera^(t) 00:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} Rafael Nadal did not win Wimbledon in 2007, edit his Grand Slam timeline so that it says he reached the final instead. He lost to Roger Federer in 5 sets.

66.27.119.16 (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

 Not done A reference to a reliable source is needed. --Mikemoral♪♫ 19:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I've changed this, as it says elsewhere in the article, and in the 2007 Wimbledon Championships – Men's Singles article, that Nadal didn't win Wimbledon in 2007. --AdamSommerton (talk) 22:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Nadal no longer uses the Duralast string. He's now using the RPM Blast which is a synthetic octagonal string ... http://www.nadalnews.com/2010/02/05/babolats-new-strings/ http://www.babolat.com/#/tennis/en/products/547

Edit request from Perpetuelle, 2 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Luxury watchmaker Richard Mille announced that he had developed an ultra-light wristwatch in collaboration with Rafael Nadal, and furthermore that Rafael Nadal will begin to play all his matches wearing his Richard Mille RM027 Tourbillon watch on his wrist. The watch weighs less than 20 grams and has a composite-carbon case and an ultra-light lithium alloy movement.

Source: http://blog.perpetuelle.com/index.php/limited-edition-watches/richard-mille-for-rafael-nadal-rm027/

Perpetuelle (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Emphasis on reliable, check that link. --JokerXtreme (talk) 19:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. A blog is not considered a reliable source; please find a reliable source for this information and the exact text you would like to add. You can use the other content in "Equipment and endorsements" as a measure of what people have felt was reasonable in the past. Regards, Celestra (talk) 19:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Done I found a reliable source and added detail about the watch to the article. oncamera^(t) 18:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Trqureshi, 5 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The following text should be added to Rafael Nadal's performance in 2010:

After Indian Wells, Nadal reached the semi finals of Sony Ericsson Open where he eventually lost to Andy Roddick in three sets. This allowed Nadal to reclaim his No.3 singles ranking by displacing Andy Murray.

Trqureshi (talk) 10:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. Please provide reliable sources for these facts. Thanks. Celestra (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Singles ranking wrong?

It says that as of 7 June 2010, he's ranked number 1. Two things. First, it's not even June 7 yet. Second, according to http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx he's numer 2, not number 1.

 Done Alva9311 posted incorrect information. I hope the two edits I reverted are all the changes, but be on the lookout for more of his vandalism. LtGen (talk) 22:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox USOpenresult Tour finals result

It says Nadal won US Open 2010 and tour finals 2010. These are yet to happen. His best results US Open are "SF" in 2009 and 2008. His best result in World Tour Finals is "SF" in 2006 and 2007, as seen in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rafael_Nadal&oldid=363390074

I believe there has been more vandalism all over by this Alva9311. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.26.5.150 (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done Alva9311 posted incorrect information. I hope the two edits I reverted are all the changes, but be on the lookout for more of his vandalism. LtGen (talk) 22:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Misleading: US Open 2010, Wimbledon 2010?

Why this article is blocked and has false information in infobox? Andrzej19 (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done Alva9311 posted incorrect information for reasons unknown. All of his changes have been reverted. His user page is also full of future Nadal scores. LtGen (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I found that he had won Wimbledon 2010 -- not so, it's still on the TV live. I tried to delete the W w/o success. Looks like another of Alva9311's mendacities.Cross Reference (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC).

Prince of Asturias Award

The note about the "Prince of Aturias Award" seems a bit out of place in the lead, wouldn't it better fit into the career section for 2008? --78.34.106.218 (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Axisama, 6 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Hello, The height of Rafael Nadal is mistaken, the official one is 1.82, not 1.85 (source : http://www.rafael-nadal.net/biografia-de-rafael-nadal/). Can you change it.

Regards,

Axisama (talk) 15:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for providing a link. CTJF83 pride 18:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

This source (official Rafael Nadal site) states that his height is 1,85 cm http://www.rafaelnadal.com/biography 82.105.54.130 (talk) 06:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Poor English

This sentence is very poor English. "Nadal defeated Soderling 6-4, 6-2, 6-4 to win the French Open, he reclaimed the position of ATP World Number One denying his biggest rival Roger Federer the all time record for weeks at No. 1."

Could be changed to:

Nadal defeated Soderling 6-4, 6-2, 6-4 to win the 2010 French Open title, reclaiming the position of ATP World number one in the process. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.223.119 (talk) 18:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

False information about his height

There was a false information about his height. Official height is 185 cm as the ATP and [http://www.rafaelnadal.com/biography official Nadal's site) say. Andrew₁₈ ^@ 19:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

How to pronounce his name

The transcript is given in IPA for his name in Catalan, but Nadal does not pronounce his name according to standard Catalan (which is largely modelled on the Barcelona dialect, with some influence from Girona); it is incoherent to prescribe a scientific form of his name that is not aligned with how he himself (or his family) says it (akin to using a British non-rhotic transcription for "California"). If someone from Mallorca (preferably east Mallorca) could come and provide a proper IPA transcript for the local manner of pronouncing "Rafael Nadal Parera", it would be greatly appreciated (as my pronounciation is from the Eastern seaboard of the Iberian peninsula, and I am not an expert on "mallorqui", I do not feel fit for the task). Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.37.237.100 (talk) 08:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Added Majorcan Catalan IPA pronunciation for the name as in IB3 informatives, Balearic Islands TV. Perique des Palottes (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Doping section

Kurt Streeter of the Los Angeles times in July, 2008 opened the possibility that Nadal and Federer are doping. Would this be an appropriate section?{Cmguy777 (talk) 04:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)}

Nope, just speculation from some time ago. Unless they're suspended by the ATP or investigated formally, no need to spread gossip on Wikipedia. oncamera^(t) 17:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. It is unknown how the ATP tests and what the ATP tests for. Streeter was remarking on the seemingly unending energy of tennis players and Nadal's muscular physique. The question is whether any agency is investigating doping in sports. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Coaching section

Should there be a section on Rafael Nadal controvery over being coached by his uncle? His uncle allegedly yells, "I love you, Rafa." from the stands could be a code for how to play the opponent on court. According to Xan Brooks, writer for gaurdian.uk.co, Nadal was coached by his Uncle Toni during the 3rd round match against Philipp Petzschner at the 2010 Wimbledon Tournament. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there should be a whole section devoted to this as that would be undue weight, but it could be mentioned in the 2010 career section about Wimby 2010 because I think he was fined 2,000 dollars for this. And Rafa and his uncle both deny the charges, either way. Cheers, oncamera^(t) 23:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Reference is not valid

The second reference is from 2008, not current, and tells of how rafael first became NOMBER 1 in 2008. not how he recently became NOMBER 1 in 2010. chao —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.189.248.126 (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Heavy topspin - high bounce?

I'm a little confused by the playing style section. Surely such exceptional topspin would cause a low bounce. High bounce is caused by backspin, right? Traveller palm (talk) 16:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

No, you have it backwards. Topspin bounces high and backspin low. Look at a drop shot. It bounces low and practically stops in place if hit correctly. Topspin shots, like forehands, bounce high which is why players have to stand so far back on courts such as clay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.134.59 (talk) 15:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Girlfriend - Xisca Perello

Does Nadal's current girlfriend Xisca Perello (full name Maria Francisca Perello [2]) deserve a mention? Lots of other top tennis star articles mention close personal relationships and they've been together for some years now apparently - she was heavily featured in the TV coverage of the Final today on the BBC. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 18:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I'm against the inclusion of girlfriends, unless they're famous or notable in their own regard. If the player is married, then that should be included. But, yeah, the other players articles probably shouldn't include who they're dating... oncamera^(t) 23:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi oncamera. Doesn't it depend on what defines "fame"? She gets coverage in newspaper articles and as I said, was constantly on camera throughout the final - so she does have fame. Wikipedia shouldn't be giving the institution of marriage undue prominence - long-term partners of very famous people like Rafael also have their own fame. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 07:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Is she famous for anything besides dating Rafa? That's what I mean by fame. Like Federer's wife Mirka, before that long-time girlfriend, was a former tennis player. And Djokovic -was- dating an Olympian athlete Leryn Franco, who has her own recognition; my examples are instances such as those. oncamera^(t) 20:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

She's famous for being Rafael Nadal's serious girlfriend - I am not proposing an article about her, just mention in this article - it's Nadal whose famous and she's an important aspect of his life. See Andy Murray for another similar example. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 21:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I also think Murray's girlfriend doesn't need to be mentioned either, if it's a similar situation. oncamera^(t) 21:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

You might think that, but there are enough newspaper articles, mentions and photos of her everywhere to make it ridiculous that she isn't an important part of waht makes Andy Murray. I think you are getting confused between the rules for notability for the existence of articles about wives/girlfriends/partners and mentions of them in articles. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 21:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Seems like that's a question of something else to debate what's important to a tennis player's life, but the fact here is Rafa's girlfriend isn't notable without being his girlfriend. So if they break up, we delete the sentence? That to me is how arbitrary she is to the article. oncamera^(t) 21:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Same question arives for wives/husbands - if they divorce, does he/she go? If not, but partners do, then there is a prejudice against the concept of partners-versus-wives. Look, the lives of stars are not just about their profession - other things are interesting too, which is why nearly every star article has a personal section with details of family, important relationships, etc. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 21:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

User inserting false information

Just a note saying that a user has a user page full of false future Nadal information (winning 18 grand slams etc.). This would be fine if he didn't try to insert this into the actual articles, as noted above. Beware! Christopher Connor (talk) 22:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Outdated comments

In the "playing style sections", are the statements about Nadal rarely volleying, and his serve being a weak point not slightly outdated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.210.54 (talk) 02:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

facts about rafael nadal

In the year 2005 at Wimbledon he lost in second round match against Giles muller who on his post match conference said that Nadal will never win wimbeldon title.but the very next year Nadal came very strongly to reach the final and eventually won Wimbledon in 2008 and 2010 Pocsatish (talk) 11:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST : The incorrect information about the first round of the Australian Open should be corrected to indicate that it was not Nadal who withdrew with a knee injury, but Daniel. Original info "Nadal defeated Marcos Daniel of Brazil 6–0, 5–0 then withdrew with a knee injury." This is incorrect. Nadal is currently playing his second round (Thursday January 19th, 2011). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.19.242 (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Agassi about Nadal

AT this year Hit for Haiti exhibition at Indian wells Agassi said "I found a bigger heart in Nadal than any other player I have ever seen".Pocsatish (talk) 11:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Reference and source needed to back up information!!!!!

Ypu wrote, "He is regarded by many as one of the greatest tennis players of all time"

Where is the reference, source to back this up??? Where did you get this information from?? I've seen information about the best clay courter of all time, which is referenced and supported, but not the best of all time though!!!

Thankyou, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.80.0.10 (talk) 00:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I certanly wouldn't consider that reference for such a statement - especially that early in the article. This is Wikipedia - not Nadals fanpage! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.92.112.127 (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

This page is semi-protected?

Can I ask why it is semi-protected, and is there anyway to view the edit page? I'm trying to test something in my sandbox, but I don't know how. Thanks! JeremyMcClean (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Never mind about viewing the edit page, I've figured it out with another page. But why is this semi-protected, and what's the difference between protected and semi-protected? Thanks JeremyMcClean (talk) 23:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

"Edit request" Grand Slam performance timeline for 2010 US OPEN contain incorrect info

Even though the 2010 US OPEN tournament has not been concluded and the player has not been eliminated, the Wikipedia editor had incorrectly wrote the player's result to be "QF" on the main page's "Grand Slam performance timeline" table. Please change it "QF" to "(left) blank" until a) the end of the tournament or b) the player gets eliminated. This problem is only reflected on the main page and is fine on the detailed "Rafael Nadal career statistics" page. 09:12 8 September 2010 (UTC) {{editsemiprotected}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.57.176 (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done Bejinhan talks 09:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Wilander Info

Wilander information is wrong. Wilander won 3 slams in one year, but two were on hard courts and one was on clay. The article says that Wilander won on 3 surfaces in the same year. This is incorrect! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.26.117.10 (talk) 05:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Intro Bad Grammar

This is very bad grammar: He certainly has a claim to being among the greats of the game and together with Bjorn Borg among the greatest clay court players of all time. Someone should change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.196.168 (talk) 19:13, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, what was wrong with "one of the greatest players of all time"? 88.111.39.237 (talk) 20:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I strongly agree too. Not only bad grammar, this phrase has no encyclopedic style at all. It looks like someone didn't like the claim and tried to make euphemisms. This needs adjustments. --187.37.77.81 (talk) 23:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Main Photo

Any chance I could change the main photo to something much nicer taken during the US Open final? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.196.168 (talk) 22:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The most recent photo will be the main photo.--Anen87 (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

nadal is one of the all time best players also, as wikipedia said before.

In one of the lasted versions of the article about Rafael Nadal, the texts says: "by many one of the best tennis players of all time". Now, after winning US open, strangely this sentence has dessapear completly in the article. Why??? Agassi, Federer, Sampras and a others players are still defined as "one of the best of history" or "something similar" in the wikipedia article about themseves. Obviously Nadal deserves as well, not only be defined as the best on clay (also now shared correctly whit Borg) otherwise generally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.26.105.195 (talk) 08:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It's got even worse now. They only mention how he is considered one of the best Clay courters, twice! No mention of greatest player of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.28.111 (talk) 10:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I fully agree. We can keep the "clay" and Borg sentence, but he has won Slams on all surfaces, so he surely deserves to be named "one of the best tennis players of all time", because he is within top 10 in terms of total number of grand slams won, ATP masters won, olympic gold medal... --Jordiferrer (talk) 14:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

John McEnroe has stated that "You can make an argument that he's THE greatest player that ever lived" http://www.videosurf.com/video/u-s-open-highlights-2010-us-open-mens-final-recap-1221600253 That should at least warrant Nadal being referred to as one of the greatest of all time. Feargalglean 14:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I just added a reference with a statement from a few months ago: "Mighty Nadal is one of best four players ever, says John McEnroe". --Jordiferrer (talk) 08:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

This article is so bad.

This article is so bad. It's like a detailed biography of every tournament Nadal has ever entered. Why hasn't his career history been split from his biography? His career should be split into the following phases: Up and comer, clay court dominance, grass breakthrough and all court dominance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.234.34 (talk) 00:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, it takes a lot of work to shorten the main article. It has been done to one article, Roger Federer and each of his years are written in detailed in Roger Federer in 2010, Roger Federer in 2009, etc. It just hasn't been done to Nadal's article (yet). oncamera^(t) 01:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

When this season finishes I intend to sort the 2010 bits out OK. KnowIG (talk) 09:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Records

Takes up a lot of space, surely it can go into a stand alone article. KnowIG (talk) 09:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Toni Nadal

The article states: "Toni Nadal has not received a single penny for his coaching to Nadal all these years." The referenced article doesn't mention what compensation Toni Nadal has received. That sentence should be deleted or supported with a reference. Saint91 (talk) 02:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Been mentioned in commentary that all Toni does is coach Rafa out of love and just gets expenses KnowIG (talk) 20:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

2010 Prize Money

Nadal's record-breaking total prize money in a single season ($10,171,998) should be noted. Perhaps in the 2010 season section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.213.188 (talk) 02:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 203.99.193.179, 9 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Rafael Nadal recently started a tennis academy for the people who are finacially backward and also to encourage the people who stay in remote villages in Anantapur,Andhra Pradesh,India with the collabration of R.D.T.A popular organisation from spain helping the poor people in India.Rafeal donated the 111000 USD for the developement of the tennis academy.

203.99.193.179 (talk) 05:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You'll need a reliable source for that, and even then I don't think all of that is important enough to include in the article. But we can see once we get a look at the reliable source. After you get the source, please make a new edit request. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Problem

{{edit semi-protected}}

I can not edit the page

I get the message that the page is semi-protected

Please what i do

I want to edit the page as the rest of users

Please Please help me

Thank God the issue is resolved

I was actually very frightened

Because I was not within the user محمد البكور (talk) 05:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed I believe the user was logged out at first request CTJF83 chat 16:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Photos

There's many photos to use from but I think only the MOST significant should be used AND in accordance to the year and content of the article of course. Also please save any of the Rafa vs Federer photos for the Federer–Nadal rivalry article instead or at least don't use the same photos as I see there's a repetition of the same photo which should be replaced with another.--Anen87 (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Randomguy1229, 1 April 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} At the 2011 BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells, Nadal defeated South African qualifier Rik de Voest 6-0, 6-2, in the First Round. In the Second Round, Nadal beat qualifier Ryan Sweeting of the United States 6-3, 6-1. He then defeated Somdev Devvarman of India 7-5, 6-4 in the Fourth Round. In the quarterfinals Nadal faced Croatian Ivo Karlovic and prevailed in three sets, 5-7, 6-1, 7-6(7). In the semifinals, Nadal faced Juan Martin del Potro, beating the Argentine 6-4, 6-4, to reach his third Indian Wells final. Nadal was, however, beaten by Novak Djokovic in the final in three sets, 6-4, 3-6, 2-6. The following day Nadal beat Djokovic in an exhibition match in Bogota, Colombia.

Randomguy1229 (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Already done Appears to already be in the article, although phrased differently. If there is some specific problem with what's there, could you point out exactly what needs changing? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Randomguy1229, 1 April 2011

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Nadal went on to play in the second Masters 1000 event of the calender, the 2011 Sony Ericsson Open. In the Second Round, he beat Japanese player Kei Nishikori 6-4, 6-4. He then met fellow Spaniard Feliciano Lopez in the Third Round, winning in straight sets 6-3, 6-3. In the Fourth Round, Nadal defeated Alexandr Dolgopolov of Ukraine 6-1, 6-2. In the Quarterfinals, Nadal faced world No. 7 Tomas Berdych. After taking the opening set 6-2, Nadal started to complain about a pain in his right shoulder and ended up losing the second set 3-6. He, however, managed to prevail in the end with a 6-2, 3-6, 6-3 win. Nadal will now meet long time rival Roger Federer in the Semifinals.

Randomguy1229 (talk) 16:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Already done Appears to already be in the article, although phrased differently. If there is some specific problem with what's there, could you point out exactly what needs changing? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Myfollower, 4 April 2011

The words "grand slam" are used wrongly in the entire page, and in almost all tennis player pages. A major tournament, like Wimbledon, is singularly a "slam," and if someone wins ALL four major "slams" in one calendar year, then it is considered a "Grand Slam." Unfortunately, because of people unwittingly using the term "grand slam" even for a single slam (even some major tennis players who give commentary make this mistake), the wrong usage is now perpetrated so ubiquitously that the wrong is becoming common usage. This is bad. Rod Laver's tremendous accomplishment in 1969 was a Grand Slam. Steffi Graf's tremndous accomplishment in 1988 was a grand slam. It is not possible for a player to win two "grand slams" in a year...only two "slams."

Myfollower (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: according to our (sourced) Grand Slam article, the term has been used to refer to the major tournaments for years. — Bility (talk) 21:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Seven in a row

"This means that he is the first man to have won seven tournaments in a row at the ATP level." I think you mean "the first man to have won the same tournament seven times in a row at the APT level." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliroptic (talk • contribs) 19:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

You are correct. I have made the change. Cheers,

 The Steve  06:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 189.18.154.88, 30 May 2011

Please change last two paragraphs on ===2011=== (Year 2011 review):

FROM: At Madrid in May, he defeated Marcos Baghdatis, had a walkover against Juan Martin del Potro, and defeated Michael Llodra and Roger Federer, before losing the final to Novak Djokovic, 7–5, 6–4.

Nadal would lose in straight sets to Novak Djokovic in the Rome Masters final, 6–4, 6–4. This marked the first time that Nadal has lost two clay court finals in a single season.

TO: At Madrid in May, he defeated Marcos Baghdatis, had a walkover against Juan Martin del Potro, and defeated Michael Llodra and Roger Federer, before losing the final to Novak Djokovic, 7–5, 6–4.

Nadal would lose in straight sets to Novak Djokovic in the Rome Masters final, 6–4, 6–4. This marked the first time that Nadal has lost two clay court finals in a single season.

Thanks for your time. 189.18.154.88 (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

DoneChanged 1 wikilink and created another. I think that was all that was requested. --wintonian ^talk 01:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Oriahs, 14 June 2011

Oriahs (talk) 18:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You haven't made a request--Jac16888 ^Talk 18:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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Number 1?

Nadal is currently ranked number 1 according to the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP), Novak Djokovic is 2nd and Roger Federer is 3rd. It needs to be changed on his page 196.215.80.123 (talk) 19:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC) Steph

ranking

he is not currently ranked no.2! that will happen on monday. his current rank is no.1. who makes these incorrect changes?! at least refer to atp before any such step! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.46.211 (talk) 20:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Drrprasath, 5 July 2011

Nadal is World No. 2 now. So infobox detail needs to be altered and updated

Drrprasath (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

The infobox already states that he's the #2, but his highest rank is always going to be #1. Absconded Northerner (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

References

This section was added to show the references (to stop the red error message appearing).

Trafford09 (talk) 05:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Move this section to the end, if red error msgs. reappear. Trafford09 (talk) 00:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Too many pictures

I'm sorry, but there's a limit to the number of images needed to illustrate an article, and the latest edits by (????? - sorry, but I dunno how to enter that UID) go too far. Other opinions? Absconded Northerner (talk) 02:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I just looked. WOW! Before your revert there were 24 photos of Nadal and you trimmed it to 19. In my book it's still way too many. Federer has 6 pix (one of which is only of Nadal), Agassi has 2, Sampras has 3, Steffi Graf has 2. Serena Williams has 11 and that seems like a lot too. People are starting to use these articles as little flickr accounts. I would certainly limit the tennis articles to 10 pix max, and in my book 5 is usually plenty. It may be time to go weeding. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I didn't want to take out even more without asking, but the changes you made have definitely improved things. Absconded Northerner (talk) 09:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, maybe we're in the minority of all tennis editors... there's only 3 or 4 of us talking about it right now. I'd hate to set a strict limit as each article will have ebbs and flows. Plus if we say there is a limit of 10 you know someone will look at that as hard and fast and add 10 images to a one paragraph biography, and say it's within the rules. I might have put in 5-7 pix in this particular article but 10 doesn't look too bad... and I kept what I thought were the best and most pertinent photos. I'm sure someone could have done better in picking, and if this editor likes one of his own better he could certainly replace one already there. I'll bring this up on the project to get a feeling of what others think. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Since it could affect multiple articles it's here if anyone wants to discuss - Tennis Project photo discussion - Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

This work you are doing is vandalism and not a contribution

We sit and lie awake in Flickr to look for new images to put on the page and you remove the images out sabotage

We do not care Graf and Sampras and Federer and others

We here at Page Nadal only

You do not want to understand that and this thing back to you

The photos will remain even if need be told to those responsible for the sabotage محمد البكور (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia represents the combined work and opinion of a group, not one person. It should be clear to you by now that your actions have no support, and your edit warring is in clear violation of the Three Revert Rule. Please stop edit warring. Absconded Northerner (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

New proposal

This new proposal I am doing now is not found in any article. Rafael Nadal Head Two Head (unofficial address). Look here I think that the proposal is very clear and we will work for all players, but now is just an idea and need to develop. What do you think ? -- محمد البكور ^Talk | 06:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Beginning of a new era for the article Rafael Nadal

After this changes, which was very large in an article Nadal by deleting most of the pictures of them and that I myself I was trying to search for images to renew Nadal to put it in the article. In general, you will find a solution satisfactory to all parties, will maintain the article on the general law on all articles not to put more than 10 images in the article but: We will formulate the article since the scratch and make it as an article Roger Federer and here I mean: Put in the article the main things important and crucial in the life of Nadal's career, we will copy all the sections in the article, and make it detailed in articles such as Rafael Nadal in 2010., Hence, we can add all the images in the detailed articles and we have solved the problem. -- محمد البكور ^Talk | 06:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

This is true however the yearly articles will be much shorter and will likely only need 2-3 photos before they also get overloaded. So if Nadal has seven individual yearly pages his total photos may be about 15 with two on each page. Just because you can have 10 pix doesn't mean the page will support ten pix. And the photos need to directly complement the nearby data to give the article a sense of cohesiveness. Good luck. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 117.193.215.206, 30 August 2011

its noy majorca. its mallorca 117.193.215.206 (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

No, sorry, this is English Wikipedia, not Spanish Wikipedia. The more common name used here is Majorca, per established policy.

Please see policies in MOS:FOREIGN, which include "... Spell a name consistently in the title and the text of an article. See relevant policy at wp:Article titles; see also wp:Naming conventions (use English). For foreign names, phrases, and words generally, adopt the spellings most commonly used in English-language references for the article, ...". Trafford09 (talk) 17:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 December 2011

Please add information about Rafael Nadal beating Juan Monaco in the Davis Cup 2011 Finals versus Argentina. see this ref.

Lilberah (talk) 09:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. CTJF83 12:32, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Record weeks as rank 2

Is this really necessary way to end the Nadal introduction? I believe that this becomes relevant only if Nadal breaks the record for being in TOP 2. Imo record 2nd fiddle is not a very positive way to end the introduction for a great champion. Mrmarble (talk) 22:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

There is really nothing wrong with this and I think you are splitting hairs now. Having the ATP record for weeks at #2 is an amazing achievement and reflects Nadal as a great champion. An article on an athlete should reflect the great and good achievements of the athlete, not just selectively choosing the great ones. I'm guessing you would not have a problem if Nadal had the record for weeks at #1? TheLou75 (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Well yes, this is somewhat awkward issue. Maybe it is worth mentioning, or should it rather be on career achievements page? It can be seen a negative record... imo more fitting would be mentioning how long Nadal has been #1 and #2 combined. Compare this intro ending to one in Federer's page... which is imo rather hilarious ending in another way, can't get more worshiping article than that... Good and the bad, eh? Mrmarble (talk) 01:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm waiting others to join the discussion and letting the line stay for now. Imo it's not necessary, but on the other hand as Nadal is still ranked 2 it may even be appropriate for the time being. Maybe it should read instead how long Nadal has been in top2? What's the record for that? Once Nadal will be removed from #2 I don't think that the stat is significant enough to continue being included in introduction. Cheers, Mrmarble (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

If Nadal breaks the record for most weeks at the top 2 sure then it can be added to that sentence, I don't see why you would remove it altogether unless you are trying to hide it on purpose. Off the top my head, Sampras has more weeks in the top 2. TheLou75 (talk) 00:59, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

This is good information so it should stay in the article. Likewise with Rafa Nadal's clay statistic above as I found it to be good info as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.194.222 (talk) 02:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I think Mrmarble is missing the fact that the point of an article is to present information. An article is not supposed to be a fan/worship page which is what he is trying to do. For example, removing Nadal's record as #2 just because #2 isn't as good as #1. Ridiculous when you think about it. Also, so what if Nadal is better on clay, that is a fact backed up by a numbers and is cited. If you want to see a fan page, there are a lot out there but people come here for information. 216.99.184.50 (talk) 12:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

216.99.184.50, I don't understand what your problem is here... I already admitted that weeks at #2 is appropriate. My concern was if it's important enough to be mentioned in actual introduction.

And Lou, no, I'm not trying to hide it or remove it altogether...it's listed on his page of career achievements as well. Mrmarble (talk) 18:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Can we say flip flop? You edited out the #2 ranking only for Lou to add it back in and then you bring it to this talk page in an attempt to get it removed again. 216.99.184.50 (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Flip flop? I'd rather use terms "sleeping overnight" and "being reasonable" :) Now if nobody ever changes his opinion how are these arguments ever going to end... Mrmarble (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Can we say biased to an obvious degree? TheLou75 (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Rafael Nadal

Why is the article locked? --178.222.93.7 (talk) 16:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Contradiction?

In the "Nadal-Federer Rivalry" section:

Nadal and Federer have played 28 times. Nadal leads the head-to-head 18-10.

In the "Nadal-Djokovic Rivalry" section:

Djokovic is the only player with 10 or more wins against Nadal.

Something doesn't seem right here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.55.215 (talk) 09:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done Fixed it. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)