Talk:Radisson (disambiguation)

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Requested move 24 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move page and then redirect Radisson to Radisson Hotels. (non-admin closure) — YoungForever^(talk) 05:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Radisson → Radisson (disambiguation) – After some fairly extensive research, I am certain that the hotel chain is the clear primary topic of this term. To begin with, there are about a million news hits, of which 99% are for the hotel chain. Outside of North America, the hotel chain is known, and the other topics are basically nonexistent. Topics relating to the hotel chain (i.e. its parent company and brands) account for over 90% of page views once partial title matches are put aside. I wavered between proposing to move the hotel chain here (as it is often referred to just as "Radisson"), or moving the disambiguation page to redirect the term there, but after consulting with others who have worked on that article, I agree that the hotel chain should stay at its current title, and that we should move the disambiguation page to direct the term to the clear primary topic, "Radisson Hotels". BD2412 T 03:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: three-year Pageviews for the top eight non-partial-match titles on the page (the remaining titles average fewer than 4 views/day, so are left out as nominal). The group of topics relating to the hotel chain accounts for ~915k/960k hits, or over 95% of traffic. If we just look at pageviews for Radisson Hotels against all non-hotel topics with more than nominal views, the main hotel article alone still gets 90% of traffic over the past five years. BD2412 T 04:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I support the move based on the same. I find that the blue links for "Radisson" in Wikipedia mainly point to "Radisson Hotels." Google search for "Radisson" also shows Google Knoledge Panel for "Radisson Hotels" which is a good sign that Google also thinks its the primary location for that search term. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment' i just copy my user talk page comment here: "Personally i would say Radisson Hotels the hotel chain should be the primary topic. Radisson Hotel Group the parent company has many former official name and common name (and own brand that not named after Radisson). While Radisson Blu, Radisson Red, Radisson Collection should not have an article at all as they are subbrand of Radisson hotel chain."

And here is the new evidence. According to google ngram, not sure why way many single usage "Radisson" and seldom "Radisson hotel", "Radisson hotels", Hard to tell the primary topic of "Radisson", is the hotel chain, the hotel, the parent company that own multiple hotel brands, or something else, as impossible to have a breakdown of ngram data. 08:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew hk (talk • contribs)

I think the early peaks of single usage instances in the 1920s, 1940s, and 1960s reflect a period during which the hotel was known just as "The Radisson". Up until 1962, there was (other than the Radisson Inn), only one hotel by that name. BD2412 T 16:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If it was up to me, I'd put a "(disambiguation)" descriptor at the end of the title of every disambiguation page. I don't find these pages to be very useful myself. Flagging this way tells readers what kind of page it is before they click on it. Allan Rice (talk) 09:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clear primary redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom's persuasive argument, redirecting Radisson to Radisson Hotels. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.