Talk:Radiation zone

the time-constant

The value 171000 years (looks percisely) mentioned in this article is very different from 50000000 in [1], 20000000 in my book, >1000000 in [2]. But in [3] it is only 10000. The uncertainty is very large (about four orders). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.49.12.197 (talk) 06:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Renaming to Radiative zone.

This article has 7 references and one image. All of these sources agree: the zone is called the Radiative Zone.

• the image in the article: Radiative zone.
• "...and therefore to the development of a radiative zone inside the core." Pols, Onno Rudolf (2011). Stellar Structure and Evolution. Astronomical Institute Utrecht.
• "...as the Radiative zone..." Ryan, Sean G.; Norton, Andrew J. (2010). Stellar evolution and nucleosynthesis. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 19. ISBN 978-0-521-19609-3.

• Page 182, Radiative zone LeBlanc, Francis (2010). An Introduction to Stellar Astrophysics (1st ed.). John Wiley and Sons. p. 168. ISBN 978-1-119-96497-1.

• Page 24: Calls it " Radiative Zone" Elkins-Tanton, Linda T.; Elkins-Tanton, Linda T. (2006). The Sun, Mercury, and Venus. The solar system. New York: Chelsea House. p. 24. ISBN 978-0-8160-5193-9. OCLC 60454390.

• Neither Padmanabhan, Thanu (2001). Theoretical astrophysics. 2: Stars and stellar systems. Vol. 2. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press. p. 80. ISBN 978-0-521-56631-5.

• "Calculations are carried out throughout the solar radiative zone". Krief, M.; Feigel, A.; Gazit, D. (2016-04-10). "Solar opacity calculations using the super-transition-array method". The Astrophysical Journal. 821 (1): 45. arXiv:1601.01930. Bibcode:2016ApJ...821...45K. doi:10.3847/0004-637X/821/1/45. ISSN 0004-637X.
• ...that are not easy to quantify without constraints in the radiative zone... Turck-Chièze, Sylvaine; Couvidat, Sébastien (2011-08-01). "Solar neutrinos, helioseismology and the solar internal dynamics". Reports on Progress in Physics. 74 (8): 086901. arXiv:1009.0852. Bibcode:2011RPPh...74h6901T. doi:10.1088/0034-4885/74/8/086901. ISSN 0034-4885. PMID 34996296.

According to the Wikipedia policy on Wikipedia:Article titles: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources." I don't see any discussion the talk page history concerning this name. I think it was just incorrect from the get go. Radiation zone makes no sense, as the other zones are eg convective. Johnjbarton (talk) 22:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

As further evidence that this article is misnamed, consider the top hits in Google scholar:

• radiative zone:
  • "The dynamics of the solar radiative zone"
  • Bounds on the Magnetic Fields in the Radiative Zone of the Sun
  • Magnetic fields and non-uniform rotation in stellar radiative zones
  • Turbulent transport in radiative zones of stars
• radiation zone]
  • A new population of ultra‐relativistic electrons in the outer radiation zone (about van allen belt)
  • A revised look at relativistic electrons in the Earth's inner radiation zone and slot region
  • A New Perspective on Earth's Radiation Zone
  • The assessment of radiation zone determination in RDE for radiation workers

So don't think Radiation zone can even be used in this article as a synonym. Johnjbarton (talk) 23:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 19 October 2024

Radiation zone → Radiative zone – This article has 7 references and one image. All of these sources agree: the zone is called the Radiative Zone.

• the image in the article: Radiative zone.
• "...and therefore to the development of a radiative zone inside the core." Pols, Onno Rudolf (2011). Stellar Structure and Evolution. Astronomical Institute Utrecht.
• "...as the Radiative zone..." Ryan, Sean G.; Norton, Andrew J. (2010). Stellar evolution and nucleosynthesis. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 19. ISBN 978-0-521-19609-3.

• Page 182, Radiative zone LeBlanc, Francis (2010). An Introduction to Stellar Astrophysics (1st ed.). John Wiley and Sons. p. 168. ISBN 978-1-119-96497-1.

• Page 24: Calls it " Radiative Zone" Elkins-Tanton, Linda T.; Elkins-Tanton, Linda T. (2006). The Sun, Mercury, and Venus. The solar system. New York: Chelsea House. p. 24. ISBN 978-0-8160-5193-9. OCLC 60454390.

• Neither Padmanabhan, Thanu (2001). Theoretical astrophysics. 2: Stars and stellar systems. Vol. 2. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press. p. 80. ISBN 978-0-521-56631-5.

• "Calculations are carried out throughout the solar radiative zone". Krief, M.; Feigel, A.; Gazit, D. (2016-04-10). "Solar opacity calculations using the super-transition-array method". The Astrophysical Journal. 821 (1): 45. arXiv:1601.01930. Bibcode:2016ApJ...821...45K. doi:10.3847/0004-637X/821/1/45. ISSN 0004-637X.
• ...that are not easy to quantify without constraints in the radiative zone... Turck-Chièze, Sylvaine; Couvidat, Sébastien (2011-08-01). "Solar neutrinos, helioseismology and the solar internal dynamics". Reports on Progress in Physics. 74 (8): 086901. arXiv:1009.0852. Bibcode:2011RPPh...74h6901T. doi:10.1088/0034-4885/74/8/086901. ISSN 0034-4885. PMID 34996296.

According to the Wikipedia policy on Wikipedia:Article titles: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources." I don't see any discussion the talk page history concerning this name. I think it was just incorrect from the get go. Radiation zone makes no sense, as the other zones are eg convective.

As further evidence that this article is misnamed, consider the top hits in Google scholar:

• radiative zone:
  • "The dynamics of the solar radiative zone"
  • Bounds on the Magnetic Fields in the Radiative Zone of the Sun
  • Magnetic fields and non-uniform rotation in stellar radiative zones
  • Turbulent transport in radiative zones of stars
• These are all about a zone of stars, the topic if this article.
• radiation zone]
  • A new population of ultra‐relativistic electrons in the outer radiation zone (about van allen belt)
  • A revised look at relativistic electrons in the Earth's inner radiation zone and slot region
  • A New Perspective on Earth's Radiation Zone
  • The assessment of radiation zone determination in RDE for radiation workers
• These are mostly about van allen belt, but not about stars.

I don't think Radiation zone can even be used in this article as a synonym. Johnjbarton (talk) 23:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)