Talk:Race in horror films

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Jesudason, David. "Candyman and horror's dubious reckoning with racism". www.bbc.com. Retrieved 2022-06-23.
Giorgis, Hannah (2021-04-17). "Who Wants to Watch Black Pain?". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-06-23.
Bellot, Gabrielle; Cox, Renee; McKinney, Danielle (2021-11-10). "How Black Horror Became America's Most Powerful Cinematic Genre". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2022-06-23.
Williams, Lisa Ellen (2021), "Beyond the burial ground: Reflecting on Indigenous representation in 1970s and 1980s American horror", Critical Pedagogy, Race, and Media, Routledge, doi:10.4324/9781003222835-13/beyond-burial-ground-lisa-ellen-williams, ISBN 978-1-003-22283-5, retrieved 2022-06-23

Examples?

The article has no examples to actually proof the thesis. What are the famoust/best rassicst horror movies?

Answer:: Because the article is not discussing explicitly racist horror movies, but racial undertones and stereotyping within horror movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lachielmao (talk • contribs) 11:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tone

This article could easily become a racist rant, rather than an encyclopaedia article that deals with a genuine issue. Rwood128 (talk) 17:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean?--MainlyTwelve (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry MainlyTwelve, it was just that I was initially put-off by the original at the tone of the article. Then I got editing and saw that the content dealt with a valid issue. Anyhow ranting is fine – outside of an encyclopaedia, which requires a more formal tone

I added links to this article to several other articles. I hope my copy edits were helpful and don't distort the basic argument.

You might think about the comment, another editor has made (the remaining banner), about original research. I think he/she also originally commented on the tone. I removed that banner after copy editing. Perhaps you should consider adding something to the main Horror film article? Rwood128 (talk) 00:40, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A further clarification, because this way of communicating can be clumsy, and my original comment could have been better phrased! I was not saying that the article was racist, just that the tone was not quite right for an encyclopaedia. I found the topic interesting, even though I have no interest in horror movies. Rwood128 (talk) 01:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Thank you for clarifying. I was just curious. I didn't write the article, and it probably still needs work. Thank you for your edits!--MainlyTwelve (talk) 05:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The parallel article Misogyny in horror films also needs work.

It also strikes me that this is, understandably, particularly focussed on the USA. What about Japanese horror or Chinese horror films? Rwood128 (talk) 13:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good points, it might be worthwhile to switch the article's title to "Racism in American horror films" or "Racism in English-language horror films".--MainlyTwelve (talk) 18:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I was curious about other traditions and to what extent they are similar or different from the American version. But maybe the title should be changed? Rwood128 (talk) 09:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really new here as well, I really don't know how to edit Wikipedia. But someone more experienced should definitely fix this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.118.177.2 (talk) 18:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Needs an overhaul

I think this page needs a major overhaul. These are some (but not all) of the problems I've seen:

The first sentence sets a poor tone for the article (which often follows that tone): "There has been a stereotyping of minorities and people of colour in the horror genre, especially within American films." Shouldn't it start with a fact about horror movies, and then maybe something like "due to this, many people allege there has been a stereotyping of minorities and people of colour in the horror genre, especially within American films." I'm not disagreeing with the point, it just sounds more like an argument than an encyclopedia.
The intro paragraph says that black people are often "cast minorities as violent, and as monsters and villains." The source it uses for this claim is an academic paper that focused solely on blaxploitation horror; this genre is s small sub-genre compared to the whole of horror. I've not seen any proof that black villains in horror movies are any more prevalent than would be expected.
The first source is really not that great. It raises some interesting points, but it seems like little more than someone writing about the swath of movies they've seen over their lifetime, and their opinions. There's only one instance where the writer brings up numbers (not including a reference to another article), and barely any titles are named either (most are just accompanied by pictures of one supposed example). She says Tony Todd has been in 20+ horror movies, and provides a list of only 15 in which he's died; at least 4 of these films feature him as the villain, and she does not how this conflicts with her previous example of black villains sometimes surviving the film. Also, someone as prolific as Tony Todd (great actor, my two cents) would be expected to die that much in horror movies. Being in a lot of horror movies usually means being killed a lot.
In the sub-section "The first to die": "Black or any other characters from minorities are the first ones to die within horror films. While it is not necessarily true that these characters die first, they almost certainly die at some point in the movie." The second sentence contradicts the first one. Further, the source from the first sentence only deals with black people, so the "other minorities" part is not supported.
I think the mythical negro part should be downplayed. It's a trope in popular culture, but I don't believe it's that prevalent in horror. It definitely deserves a mention, but it just doesn't happen enough, in my opinion.
The comic relief/token black sub-section has no sources listed. I think it's an area that should be discussed in the article, but (like much of the rest of the article) I think it needs to be cleaned up.
Maybe this is just me, but it feels weird to have the article constantly switching between black people and American Indians. I know some parts can apply to both (the section about aboriginal shaman, for example), but I feel like it would be a smoother read if we made different sections.

So yeah, if anybody has any feedback to my critiques, that'd be great. Also, I'm fairly new here, so sorry if my comment is too all over the place. Riffraff913 (talk) 00:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the article needs work. When I reviewed it and kept it I did so because I assumed familiarity on the editor SnowNeana's part with a broader body of criticism, and because it seemed like a worthwhile subject even if the article was not yet perfect. I also assumed that SnowNeana that they would continue working on the article, which they have not, so any changes you want to make are, I'm sure, appropriate.--MainlyTwelve (talk) 02:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Skewing of Ideas

I found the major problem with this article is that it subtly uses original thought, specifically in the first few sentences of the section "White Dominated World", in which some of the ideas I believe are exaggerations of the source, such as "The stories in horror films are very central to white culture and lifestyle", which was not supported by the source and there are plenty of other cultures to which horror films are central to. Better wording perhaps such as "horror films are based on experiences of the white culture and lifestyle" is more appropriate. Furthermore the source used for this statement is a blog post by Ariel Smith about her personal experiences which isn't valid for factual information. —— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fisa2702 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

o negro magico parece mais babação que nazi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.181.142.31 (talk) 08:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Racism in horror films → Race in horror films – Naming the article "race" rather than "racism" expands the scope of the article. This means the article can more broadly discuss representation in horror films and how it has changed over time, rather than just solely on racist stereotypes. A similar move was made for Misogyny in horror films to Gender in horror films. I'd also be happy with "Horror films and race" as a potential title. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Good idea. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 05:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.