Talk:Race to Berlin

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The information above is another example of what the Cold War can do to the minds of the people. Evidence that Eisenhower could have done so, please. And don't forget, Berlin didn't just "fall" into Soviet's hands, there was an army there.

The comment above was originally written by User talk:68.167.206.18 on 02:02, October 17, 2005. Moved from the Race to Berlin article to this discussion page. Cheers, Madmagic 09:13, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SO SUBJECTIVE!

OMG! this is so untrue...It must be rewritten, so that the tone doesn't sound that subjective. The american general was 'that close' and he didn't think it was worth risking lives...this is nonesense!!!

Revisions

I rewrote and redid much of the article. I am asking for some help, as I plan to make this article a big project of mine very shortly. I would greatly appreciate any comments or help on my talk page as well. Jmlk17 09:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Context

There is already the Battle of Berlin, but the range of articles on the operations that led to the taking of Berlin are many.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 04:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Information

I've taken interest into this article. I need information regarding any operations that the Western allies did. Any information is helpful --L3eater 12:43pm, May 19 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 16:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Citation

What if the proof is from a T.V show documentary? how would i cite that? L3eater (talk) 01:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you cite in the same way you cite a published work, except the program name replaces the book title, and the program creator replaces the publisher. Be careful because the documentaries are often created by companies for showing on TV channels, so you will need to find out the company that created the documentary and not the channel you saw it on.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 02:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting people

Unfortunately it is not a quote when someone say "One Russian veteran said..." because the speaker is unidentified, and the source is not referenced in the Remme's article. At that rate anyone could say almost anything about anything, for example I can come back and say Spravochnikov said the "One German veteran said their tanks were useless...". There are oral histories gathered by researchers which are very acceptable as sources, but not in this fashion.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 21:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prelude is irrelvant

The prelude asserts that Stalin tricked Eisenhower into not pursuing Berlin, but there are no sources cited. This is very doubtful because control of the capital is of extremely high importance to all sides in any conflict for strategic and propaganda reasons. Also, the Allies were likely interested Nazi technology just as much as the Soviets were. I support removing this section unless sources can be cited. Waikikamukau (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article be deleted?

This article deals with what is essentially a fringe theory. No modern historian writes that there was a "competition" organised by Stalin. It's a myth. If anything, this article should talk about the "race" between the Allies and the Soviets to Berlin in early spring 1945.D2306 (talk) 15:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While I understand your thrust here, Stalin did in fact ask Koniev and Zhukov who would be first to Berlin, the Allies or the Soviets, and the STAVKA subsequently approved operations that allowed both the 1st Belorussian and Ukrainian Fronts to advance with Berlin as an objective. There was some element of competition present between the two marshals even if it may be overstated in this article. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said "this article should talk about the "race" between the Allies and the Soviets to Berlin in early spring 1945". Konev's front originally received no orders to attack Berlin and was to encircle it from the south east. He merely took opportunity when it looked his front had more success. The lead sentence about Stalin setting the competition is simply false.D2306 (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If there really was a race, shouldn’t there be some details about who won and how they did it?

Maybe there wasn’t a race (see “Should this article be deleted?”), but if there was, there ought to be some discussion of the troop movements in the final days. What statements did Stalin make up on the fall of Berlin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjobrien.seoul (talk • contribs) 11:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable citations

2 of the sources, Greg G's book and the archived BBC article are questionable sources at best. The BBC article has no proper sourcing and the writer has written other rather biased work. As for Greg, I can't find any other works by him or even his own work beyond that very strange site its hosted on. A massive revision of this page will likely be needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.134.147.61 (talk) 07:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]