Talk:Quranism/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Recent edits explained

We've been over this before on the talk page, Adigabrek. You have an amusing habit of accusing me of doing what you are actually doing. Before my recent edit on the 16th of June, my last edit to the article was on the 1st of January. Between those two edits of mine, you've made approximately FIFTY FIVE major edits! You made all of those major edits without bothering to discuss them on the talk page. Your edits often didn't cite reliable sources. For example, would you mind citing the reliable source that says that someone who leaves his religion is worse than a wild poisonous animal? Would you mind citing the reliable source that says that Quranists in the Sudan between the ages of 15 to 51 have their sexual organs cut off? Would you mind citing the reliable source that says that the rights of Quranists in Saudi Arabia are equal to wild animals?

Moreover, many of your edits were in clear violation of WP:POV. For example, would you mind explaining how asserting that the Quran is clear and complete "because it defines itself as such," isn't a violation of WP:POV and WP:OR? And would you mind explaining how restoring a misspelling after it had been corrected isn't an example of vandalism? 2601:241:8580:4540:31C4:1A36:E81F:482B (talk) 22:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

"Example" section

So where did you get these views on Quranism? There are so many errors that I don't know where to start from. Maybe the reason is that the main feature of "Quranism" is not to follow any human authorities, and therefore each one may have their own view.

For example, prayer times: some say, it should be 5, others 3, others reject fixed times at all.

Pilgrimage: some say hajj is not a pilgrimage but a discussion forum, and/or that it shoiuld not take place in Mecca, but at another place (with differnt theories about it). What is maybe a general feature: it calls not only muslims, but humanity in general ("call the people to the hajj").

Hajj / Pilgrimage: according to Quran is done anytime during the "known monthS" (2:197). Months are written in its plural form in Arabic. Through corruption and traditionalism, it has turned into a 6 day event. The Quraysh tribe seems to be back on business, governing Mecca. History repeats itself.

Sacred Months: Altering the sacred months according to Quran is a sign of strong disblief (9:36-37), and Quranists believe these months have been altered. Zul-Hijjah, 11th month of the year, has the same root word with Hajj, and it is considered a sacred month for this simple fact. Rabi, the 4th month following Zul-Hijjah, is the 3rd month of the next year. Rabi has the same root with Araba, which means "4". Armed with this information, Quranists think that these are the actual sacred months, and they were altered by traditionalists at one point in history. Since Quran makes it clear that there is no other source for the religiion, the book is perfect and complete, this is the conclusion one would come up with if there were no traditions, no hadith and sunnah books. Quranists think that Hajj should be done all the way from Zul-Hijjah (Hajj), Muharram, Safar, and Rabi (Araba/4).

Domestic violence: the "quranites" I know all say that it means "separate from them", not "beat them".

"War against Israel": though most "Quransits" may be critical of the politics of Israel, this does not mean they call people to war. Moreover, the concept of Palestinians (or any other) as "Muslim people" is denied by many. Abrogation: most Q. see abrogation as only referring to older scriptures, not within the Quran.

Anti-Christ: as there is nothing about Anti-Christ or Mahdi in Quran, all such ideas can only be individual opinions.

Anti-Christ and Mahdi: The idea of an Anti-Christ most likely made it's way to sectarian Islam through traditions, possibly through forced converts during caliphate years, and Mahdi might be the hero character to make the Christian tradition a Muslim tradition. Same with Christian rosary being used for prayers among Islamic Traditionalists.

Amen: This is the name of Amen-Ra or Amun-Ra, a chanting that made it's way to Jewish tradition through their years in Egypt. Made it's way to Christianity and Islam. There is not a single sentence with the word "Amin" in Quran, however traditional muslims seal every prayer with this Pharaoh's name. This is a common issue with Quran's statements vs. traditional islam. Pharaoh's were considered the enemies of a free man according to history, and Quranic text.

Inter-religious marriage: many Q. state that muslim women may as well marry christian or jewish men.

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Therefore, it might be better to delete the examples at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.194.0.17 (talk) 09:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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Severe Vandalism

In an effort to restore the article to its previous (and much better state), it was restored back to its previous state by an anonymous editor. Is there any way to stop the horrific vandalism going on in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.176.81 (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC)