Talk:Queens Surface Corporation

QUEENS SURFACE HISTORY FROM QS WEBSITE

The QS website: Surface Lines History is on borrowed time. Eventually, it will be abandoned - they stopped updating it when MTA Bus took over. - SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 20:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Surface Corporation is the successor to a long line of companies extending back to the inception of horsecar service in the Village of Astoria in the 1860s. In 1988, Queens Surface Corporation was formed to replace the Queens/Steinway Transit Corporation (Q/STC), which was established from the merger of the Queens Transit Corporation and the Steinway Transit Corporation in 1986. Q/STC was owned by the Salzberg interests, a scrap metal and short line railroad operator, since it acquired the old New York & Queens County Railway Company in 1932. This acquisition was made for the purpose of replacing the street railway operations with buses and selling the scrap steel.

There's more on the history of the two trolley companies(New York and Queens County Railway and Steinway Railway) that eventually became part of Queens Surface in "Lost Trolleys of Queens and Long Island," by Stephen L. Meyers. If they won't survive as separate articles (and I have a strong feeling they won't), you can add them to the history section of this article. You might be able to get it on Kindle, and if not, I can rummage through a shelf and grab my own copy out of storage. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 06:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

More history on SubChat

Got some QSC and Steinway Transit bus maps on a thread on Subchat. It's really too bad that forums are considered unreliable sources, even though it's normally understandable. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Jones Beach Buses

A bit of evidence that one of the predecessors of Queens Surface (Queens Transit) had buses serving Jones Beach. Any info on this before I submit my reformatted version of the bus routes? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I have two sandboxes for Queens Transit Buses and Steinway Transit Buses that are nearly ready for reformatting, and I still don't have any info on the former Jones Beach routes. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 12:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Reformatted bus route list

Nobody has commented on my effort to add a new version of the list of bus routes. So let me show it off;

Route	Terminal A	Major streets of travel	Terminal B	Notes/History
FORMER QUEENS SURFACE CORPORATION BUS ROUTES
Bronx and Queens Local
QBx1	Flushing Main Street and 39th Avenue near Flushing – Main Street ( 7   <7> ​ trains)	Whitestone Expressway, Hutchinson River Parkway, Bruckner Boulevard, Co-op City Boulevard	Co-op City, Bronx Earhart Lane and Erskine Place	Limited Stop Service; most service ran exclusively between Pelham Bay Park and Co-op City. Interborough service is now called the Q50. Co-op City shuttle service is now the Bx23.
Queens Local
Q25	Jamaica Sutphin Boulevard and 94th Avenue at Sutphin Boulevard – Archer Avenue – JFK Airport ( E ​ ​ J  ​ Z  trains) and Jamaica LIRR / AirTrain Station	Parsons Boulevard, Kissena Boulevard, 127th Street	College Point Poppenhusen Avenue and 119th Street	Originally owned by Flushing Heights Bus Company, service began in 1928. Acquired by Queens–Nassau Transit, Inc. on May 25, 1933. Weekdays, Q34 also provides service between Flushing and Jamaica. The original Q25 terminus was in Flushing; it was combined with the then-Q34 route into College Point. Southern terminus moved from 160th Street and Jamaica Avenue to Parsons Boulevard and Jamaica Avenue in 2005; extended to Jamaica LIRR station on Sutphin Boulevard in 2006.
Q34		Parsons Boulevard, Kissena Boulevard, Union Street	Whitestone Willets Point Boulevard and 149th Street	Service began in April 1933. Weekday service only. The original Q34 route was the College Point segment of the Q25; it was later rerouted to its current alignment in Whitestone and then extended along the Q25 route. Southern terminus moved from 160th Street and Jamaica Avenue to Parsons Boulevard and Jamaica Avenue in 2004; extended to Jamaica LIRR station on Sutphin Boulevard in 2007.
Q65		164th Street, 45th Avenue, College Point Boulevard	College Point 14th Avenue and 110th Street	Service started on August 10, 1937 to replace Flushing–Jamaica Line and College Point Line streetcar service. Southern terminus moved from 160th Street and Jamaica Avenue to Parsons Boulevard and Jamaica Avenue in 2004; extended to Jamaica LIRR station on Sutphin Boulevard in 2007.
Q65A	Forest Hills Queens Boulevard and 71st Avenue at Forest Hills – 71st Avenue ( E  ​ F   <F>  ​ M  ​ R  trains)	Jewel Avenue	Electchester 164th Street and Jewel Avenue	Service started in 1951. Renumbered as Q64 in 2007.
Q66	Long Island City 28th Street and Queens Plaza South at Queensboro Plaza ( 7   <7> ​​  N  ​ W  trains) and Queens Plaza ( E  ​ M  ​ R  trains)	21st Street, 35th Avenue, Northern Boulevard	Flushing Main Street and 39th Avenue near Flushing – Main Street ( 7   <7> ​ trains)	Service started on September 5, 1937 to replace streetcar service. Original terminus was at 51st Street in Woodside; extended to Queens Plaza in 1989.
Q67		21st Street, Borden Avenue, 55th Avenue, 69th Street	Middle Village Metropolitan Avenue and Fresh Pond Road	Service started on October 30, 1937 to replace streetcar service. Ridgewood terminal replaced by Middle Village
Queens-Manhattan express
QM2	Midtown Manhattan 6th Avenue	Manhattan: 34th Street, 6th Avenue (or 3rd Avenue), 57th Street (Manhattan bound), 59th Street (Queens bound) Queens: Whitestone Expressway service road (weekdays only), Parsons Boulevard (weekends only), Cross Island Parkway service road	Bay Terrace Bay Terrace Shopping Center	Bayside-Whitestone Express, via 6th Avenue or 3rd Avenue Operated by Queens Transit from 1969 until June 30, 1988. Operated by Queens Surface Corporation from July 1, 1988 until MTA takeover in February 27, 2005. Last Manhattan bound dropoff is at 57th Street and 3rd Avenue. Last Queens bound pickup is on 59th Street and Lexington Avenue. Rerouted away from Whitestone Expressway Service Road to serve Parsons Boulevard on weekends on April 6, 2014. Rerouted away from 57th Street onto 59th Street in the Queens bound direction on August 24, 2015. 3rd Ave route spilt off to new route QM32 in early September 2016
QM2A		Manhattan: 34th Street, 6th Avenue, 57th Street (Manhattan bound), 59th Street (Queens bound) Queens: Willets Point Boulevard, Utopia Parkway, 26th Avenue	Bay Terrace Corporal Kennedy Street and 23rd Avenue	Clearview, Linden & Mitchell Express Weekday service only. Operated by Queens Transit from 1971 until June 30, 1988. Operated by Queens Surface Corporation from July 1, 1988 until MTA takeover in February 27, 2005. Last Manhattan bound dropoff is at 57th Street and 3rd Avenue. Last Queens bound pickup is at 59th Street and Lexington Avenue. Rerouted off of 57th Street and onto 59th Street in the Queens bound direction on August 24, 2015. Renumbered from QM2A in September 2011.
QM3		Manhattan: 34th Street, 6th Avenue, 57th Street (Manhattan bound), 59th Street (Queens bound) Queens: Northern Boulevard, Little Neck Parkway.	Little Neck Little Neck Parkway and Horace Harding Expressway	Deepdale-Douglaston Express Originally Operated by Queens Transit from 1970 until 1988. Temporarily operated by Caravan Transit from 1988 until 1990. Operated by Queens Surface Corporation from 1990 until MTA takeover in 2005. Last drop off is on 57th Street and 3rd Avenue. Last pick up to Queens is on 59th Street and Lexington Avenue. Queens bound buses taken off 57th Street and put onto 59th Street on August 24, 2015.
QM4		Manhattan: 34th Street, 6th Avenue (or 3rd Avenue), 57th Street Queens: Jewel Avenue	Electchester 164th Street and Horace Harding Expressway	Jewel Avenue Express Operated by Queens Transit from 1971 until 1988. Operated by Queens Surface Corporation from 1988 until MTA takeover in 2005. Last dropoff is at 57th Street and 3rd Avenue. Former 3rd Avenue service relabeled to QM44 on July 5, 2016.
FORMER STEINWAY TRANSIT BUS ROUTES
Queens Local
Q101	East Midtown, Manhattan East 61st Street and 2nd Avenue	Northern Boulevard, Steinway Street, 20th Avenue	Steinway 77th Street and Hazen Street	Service started on November 1, 1939, to replace Steinway Street Line streetcar service. Formerly operated by Steinway Transit until 1988, and then by Queens Surface Corporation until takeover in 2005. Travels between Manhattan and Queens via the Queensboro Bridge. Original northern terminus was Rikers' Island; when the Q101R (now Q100) was created, service was truncated to 19th Avenue. Prior to the creation of the Q101R, this route was the ONLY local bus route to traverse three boroughs, since Rikers' Island is located in The Bronx.
Q101R	Long Island City Jackson Avenue and Queens Plaza South at Queensboro Plaza ( 7   <7> ​​  N  ​ W  trains) and Queens Plaza ( E  ​ M  ​ R  trains)	21st Street, 20th Avenue	Rikers Island, Bronx	Started service in the 1980s. Formerly operated by Queens Surface Corporation until takeover in 2005. Renumbered as Q100 on April 6, 2008. Originally non-stop between Long Island City and Rikers Island parking lot. Limited-stop service along 21st Street began on February 1, 2009.
Q102	Roosevelt Island, Manhattan Coler-Goldwater Hospital	Main Street (Manhattan), Vernon Boulevard, 31st Street, 30th Avenue	Astoria 27th Avenue and 2nd Street	Service started on September 29, 1939, to replace a Steinway Streetcar. Formerly operated by Steinway Transit until 1988, and then by Queens Surface Corporation until takeover in 2005. Travels between Manhattan and Queens via the Roosevelt Island Bridge. Newtown Avenue, Crescent Street, and Astoria Boulevard segment discontinued in favor of operating via 30th Avenue on June 29, 2014.
Q103	Hunters Point Borden Avenue and Vernon Boulevard at Vernon Boulevard – Jackson Avenue ( 7   <7> ​ trains) and Long Island City LIRR station	Vernon Boulevard	Astoria 27th Avenue and 2nd Street	Service started on September 29, 1939, to replace a Steinway Streetcar. Formerly operated by Steinway Transit until 1988, and then by Queens Surface Corporation until takeover in 2005. Weekend service added on June 29, 2014
Q104	Ravenswood Vernon Boulevard and 34th Avenue	Broadway, 48th Street	Sunnyside 48th Street and Queens Boulevard at 46th Street – Bliss Street ( 7  train)	Service started on September 29, 1939, to replace a Steinway Streetcar. Formerly operated by Steinway Transit until 1988, and then by Queens Surface Corporation until takeover in 2005.
Queens-Manhattan express
QM1	Midtown Manhattan 6th Avenue or Downtown Manhattan Downtown Loop	Manhattan: 34th Street, 6th Avenue, 57th Street Queens: Union Turnpike, 188th Street	Fresh Meadows 188th Street and 64th Avenue	Fresh Meadows Express Operates during rush hours only, off peak service available via QM5 Off-peak service discontinued on December 31, 2015 Began service on February 26, 1968; operated by Steinway Transit from 1968 until 1988. Last dropoff from Queens is at 57th Street. Downtown trips redesignated QM7 in June 2010. Former 3rd Ave branch split off to new QM31 in early September 2016
QM1A		Manhattan: 34th Street, 6th Avenue, 57th Street Queens: Union Turnpike, 73rd Avenue, Horace Harding Expressway, Lakeville Road	Glen Oaks 260th Street and Union Turnpike or Lake Success North Shore Towers	Glen Oaks-Windsor Park Express, and Lake Success Express (a.k.a.; North Shore Towers Express) Operated by Steinway Transit from 1968 until 1988. Temporarily operated by Caravan Transit from 1988 until 1990. Operated by Queens Surface Corporation from 1988 or 1990 until MTA takeover in 2005. Last dropoff from Queens is at 57th Street. Glen Oaks-Windsor Park Express redesignated QM5 in June 2010. Lake Success Express redesignated QM6 in June 2010. Downtown trips redesignated QM8 in June 2010. Former 3rd Avenue service on QM5 relabeled QM35 in September 2016 Former 3rd Avenue service on QM6 relabeled QM36 in early September 2016 Peak service only. QM8 operates from Glen Oaks bypassing Fresh Meadows. QM8 AM super express service serves Fresh Meadows.

I'm still puzzled over the Jones Beach Bus Route. Let me know what you people think of this version. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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