Talk:Quanell X

Creation

I know the article is not very well written. I threw this together after noticing that Quanell X was commended by the local police for his role in the Tynesha Stewart investigations. He has been prominent in the Houston community for some time now, and deserves an expanded article. Deatonjr 18:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Chronically Biased

The references to the article from "Chronically Biased" should be removed because they are far from NPOV. They also cite Tony Freemantle's article as their informational source. Deatonjr 04:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

While they may be "biased" the information IS accurate, so the information should stay. --Hourick 02:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the information was accurate. However, my objections lie elsewhere.

• The article itself was biased.
• The article's primary source for those facts was another article.
• The credit for that information should go to the primary source, Freemantle's article, which is already cited on the Quanell X page.

Deatonjr 20:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

If that's the case, then I see your point. I just don't like people not citing a source for the sake that it doesn't agree with its viewpoint, no matter how reprehensible it may be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hourick (talk • contribs) 02:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed "and a racism pimp"

Unless there is another meaning I don't know, I don't think racism pimp is valid in this case. Pgrote 19:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Possibly he was literally a racist pimp? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.37.224.115 (talk) 06:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

NPOV Language for Protest section

- - News reports show that the protesters were violent, racist, and aggressive. They do not show any action against the protesters by Quanell X. Please ensure NPOV. - - - - http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou071202_tnt_pasadenaprotest.5f508ed6.html - - - - 129.21.101.30 04:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC) -

I've replaced the vandalism discussion. It isn't common practice for discussion to be removed for no good reason. The purpose of this page is to promote improvement of the article.Deatonjr 20:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

In response to Fixthepedia's opinion that the anonymous poster is misrepresenting the source: I disagree. The article refers directly to "pushing and kicking matches" and "racial slurs" instigated by the protesters. It also quotes Quanell X extensively, but doesn't conclusively state whether or not his people engaged in similar behaviour.

"You watched them push, you watched them kick, you watched them shove. Did any of us do that?” - Quanell X

I don't intend to judge the good or bad merits of the article, just an observation. Please discuss further. Your comments are welcome.

Deatonjr (talk) 21:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem: none of that appears in any part of the various available videos, and all news reporters who claim there was are basing their story on that quote from Quanell. It fails to be verifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixthepedia (talk • contribs) 16:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The article linked above has quotes from several protesters and was clearly based on on-scene reporting. I understand your position, but the videos on youtube and other sites do not have sufficient audio quality to decide either way. It is sufficiently verifiable to be cited, if any news article is. If you notice, Quanell's quote is that the reporters have seen the fights and heard the slurs.Xdeserted (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm the anon poster. I believe the article is quite clear in the protesters' actions, and that these actions deserve to be included. Xdeserted (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, no. The only quote that says the "protesters" were shouting slurs and shoving is Quanell's. He is attempting to tell the media what they saw, to spin the event, and there is no evidence to back up his claim on any available video. It therefore fails verifiability to claim in the Wikipedia article that racial slurs and shoving occurred from only one side, as you are trying to do. You are clearly trying to violate the NPOV standards by pushing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixthepedia (talk • contribs) 14:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

How can you tell that the media didn't hear what they reported. Can we just agree to disagree and make this section NPOV now?

I take issue with the word "reinforcements", which has a militaristic connotation,

The Black Panthers are a paramilitary hate group.

The former Black Panthers of the 60's and 70's and the New Black Panthers of Quanell X's generation are two distinct organizations with different ideologies.

Deatonjr (talk) 06:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

and with the line "Riot police had to be readied in case Quanell's Black Panthers protests ignited violence."

See above.

• • I modified and moved the above line, but it is still in the article.

Deatonjr (talk) 16:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe that this line makes it seem that the Panthers were inciting violence, which is not shown in any videos or presented in any articles.

The Panthers, if you watch the video, were far closer to violence than the protesters. Quanell has to keep reminding them not to start a fight, shouting "Nobody fights! Nobody fights!" as they walk.

The only viewpoint presented by the media is contrary to that, that the anti-QX protesters were the ones who were violent.

And only in spin quotes from Quanell.

I think that line should be removed all together, or should remain "Riot police had to be readied in event of violence between the two groups."

I disagree having actually done the research you seem not to.

Also in the "Public Image" section, the (guns and knives) is unsourced and strange, and "Black Panther Party members to provide intimidation factor." could be reworded. Xdeserted (talk) 17:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

If you think you have better wording, present it. If you just keep reverting, it won't help you. The fact is that he does always appear with his posse, and has even required them to be present when being interviewed in places as small as radio broadcast booths.

OK, I'll present better wording.

First off, I object to the use of discoverthenetworks.org as a source. If you need a reason, just check their page on Bill Clinton. It is clearly a site with opinions, not a site with facts. I can find no reason to call the Nation of Islam racist in this article. It's just pushing POV. Also saying he was "indoctrinated" is just pushing the same POV. I can find no reference to the "bring home a second wife" line outside of discover the networks, and they don't have it sourced.

Therefore, I Would change "His father, Brian Chris Evans and mother were both Nation of Islam converts from Los Angeles and Quanell was raised and indoctrinated with the racist views of the Nation. His parents divorced when his mother objected to his father's plan to bring home a second wife, a practice condoned by Nation of Islam leaders at the time [3];" to ""His father, Brian Chris Evans and mother were both Nation of Islam converts from Los Angeles."

I believe the unsourced statement armed (guns and knives) should be removed, or changed to armed. The (guns and knives) serves no purpose, what else would they be armed with? Chainsaws?

While Quanell X may be the head of a paramilitary organization, their actions in this rally were not militaristic. Therefore I again object to "reinforcements" and request that that be changed.

You say that "only spin quotes from Quanell" support the violence from the crowd. What responsible reporter would say they witnessed something based on someone telling them they did? Either they saw violence and heard racism or they did not, but only they can tell us that. They have told us in their articles that they did. I don't see how this is disputable. Let's say I see a bird, and you say "Hey you saw a bird!", and I report seeing a bird in an article I write. You're arguing that the bird didn't exist and I only reported that I saw it because you told me that I did.

Please tell me why each of these should not be changed. Xdeserted (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

As far the wording goes I agree, particularly with the "armed" statement.

The fact that he DID leave the scene of the protest to get more supporters of his view is known and is referenced in at least two of the newscasts. As far as the reference goes to a POV on a particular website goes, as long as the facts themselves are accurate and are backed up by another source, then it should stay.--Hourick (talk) 12:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The fact's aren't backed up by another source. DiscoverTheNetworks uses inline links like blogs do to sources, but if you read them none are actually sources, and none support that Quanell's father wanted another wife. Even if his parents were nation of islam, saying that he was "Indoctrinated with the Racist views of the nation" is POV any way you look at it. Xdeserted (talk) 22:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Joe Horn

You know, initially I thought this Joe Horn thing would simply be a local, or at most, a region issue, but its proven to have legs and has been getting steady coverage across the nation. The major points of it seem to focus on the racial make-up, the gun laws here in Texas, and the fact that these deaths have opened an investigation involving getting Texas ID's using falsified information as well as a robbery ring. I'm ambivalent about the case getting its own article, but it seems like it might be necessary to put Quanell's protest into context. --Hourick (talk) 04:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

• • I'm about a week behind on the whole Joe Horn issue, but anyone can create an article. Keeping it from being deleted depends on what comes of the whole matter in the near future, and how much continued media coverage it receives. I find that any article with several well-cited sources and a couple paragraphs of content will pass the initial test. The real test for an article comes several months after creation, to see if the subject has remained notable enough and whether to merge, delete, or update.

Deatonjr (talk) 19:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• I cleaned up the Joe Horn section a bit. I removed excessive details about the case that would belong better on the new Joe Horn Controversy page. The Quanell X article should focus only on Quanell X's involvement with the case and the protests (so far). Some of the statements clearly did not belong. I removed one that stated Quanell X's protests were the only ones based on racial motivation. Race may be one factor, but might apply to the counter-protesters as well. It's a double-edged sword, this race thing. A sourced statement on opposing viewpoints for Quanell's different actions and protests is appropriate, but not all throughout each section. Examples include "Black Panther reinforcements", "protests (sic)", etc.

Deatonjr (talk) 15:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• Glad that you did, I did the exact same thing with Your Black Muslim Bakery and Yusuf Bey Quanell isn't all about the Joe Horn case, but the case has a substantial note about Quanell because he brought this to a forefront of something that would have simply gone away in a month or less. --Hourick (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Please Sign Comments

Please remember to sign comments with four tildes. There is a bot that auto-signs comments sometimes, but it isn't clear who made what comment in the preceding discussion. Deatonjr (talk) 06:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sources

• It's time to review sources for compliance with Wikipedia: Biographies of living persons.

Useful discussion regarding YouTube as a source: Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Archive 4. Because of the strict guidelines regarding biographies of living persons (BLPs), verifiability, reliability, and original research, the YouTube videos will be removed. This doesn't apply to content uploaded by reliable, third party sources uploaded to YouTube (like the Bill O'Reilly interview). It will result in the removal of sections like the trivia (music videos), etc. The article will be shorter, but cleaner and more compliant to Wikipedia guidelines for articles of this sort. I won't be able to make these changes immediately. Deatonjr (talk) 17:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Public Image

I've been looking and I can't find references to this section. if he had a website with this information, I'm sure it would have been put up here by now. Anyone?--Hourick (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

inconsistent behavior....or is it?

I removed the following:

More proof that Quanell's actions are racially motivated can be seen in his lack of protesting for Damon Barone shooting and killing a man in self defense in similar manner to Joe Horn. Only difference was the color of their skin.

because it was inappropriate, but I started to wonder if perhaps this should be put in a different section because it shows an inconsistency in his call for justice.--Hourick (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Right. One can only speculate about Quanell X's reasons for the Joe Horn protest without proper sources. But criticism for something that never happened? That's like the counter-protesters yelling "You wouldn't have done this in a black neighborhood!". Ok, but so what? It never happened. Deatonjr (talk) 15:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

References

Wealth of resources

Yesterday I went on houstonlibrary.org and found a wealth of articles mentioning Quanell X. I printed out a bunch, and they will add nicely to this article. For anyone who has a library card, I recommend going to your library's website and doing an article search using Infotrac. My Infotrac search turned up over 200 articles mentioning "Quanell X" from the last 12+ years. Deatonjr (talk) 14:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Jeffrey Battle

Found a nice article that links Jeffrey Battle to Quanell X. Battle was one of the convicted Portland Seven, who tried to join al-Qaeda and fight against U.S. forces in Afghanistan after September 11. Battle used to live in Houston and was a bodyguard for Quanell X in the 90's. Deatonjr (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

As a note and for future reference: several articles have mentioned the original source for the infamous "jew-bashing" quote. It came from the Million Man March in 1995, and has been widely attributed to a Chicago Tribune article. The Houston Public Library doesn't have access to those articles online from what I can gather.... so we need to find out what the article was so the 'New York Review' source can be updated. Deatonjr (talk) 19:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Image

We need to find a free image of Quanell X for the article! Deatonjr (talk) 19:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Free image found. I also uploaded a version cropped to just him, but it looked strange; in the end I decided to keep the entourage. Maybe a different editor will have a different opinion. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 21:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Neat image from the Joe Horn protests. Image suffers slightly from overapplication of red beret. But I still like very much :-)) Deatonjr (talk) 03:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Quanell X In the news again

I haven't been following Quanell too closely since the last article update, but he is on the front page today helping try to find those two missing children in Pasadena. Article is titles "Dad leads police to park, narrowing search for 2 kids: authorities enlist quanell x's help in getting info. Deatonjr (talk) 02:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Knife pulled on Quanell X

While googling awhile back, I came across a couple of newspieces about a guy who assaulted and pulled a knife on Quanell X at the gym some time in the last few months. I think the suspect was charged, and it would be interesting to note this if someone can find these sources. Deatonjr (talk) 19:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I saw it on chron.com and some other local news, but I didn't think it was, at the time, significant enough to be included in the article. In retrospect, it MIGHT be considered "An isolated incident". After the initial information on the confrontation, there was no information as to what brought on the confrontation, so I blew it off. --Hourick (talk) 09:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

KTRK report on Lawsuit against Quanell X; Activist or paid gun?

According to this article, at KTRK, he is currently being sued. I'm putting this here for future inclusion as reference if something pans out on this. [2]--Hourick (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

There was also an article recently about Quanell possibly receiving big $$$ as a council in some court case. ... . it was a chronicle article in the City and Metro section a few days back. Guess I'll have to resort to the newspaper archives through HPL to get the info. Deatonjr (talk) 07:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Houston Press Article for later info

Just wanted to book mark this for later addition to his article. Anyone feel free to use this as well: [3]

--Hourick (talk) 22:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

-- Very nice. The Houston Press seems to do a write-up on Quanell every few years. Deatonjr (talk) 01:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Quanell X in Lumberton, TX

Quanell X made an appearance in Lumberton, TX last weekend. May 4, I think. There are write-ups in the Beaumont Examiner and the Beaumont Enterprise. Over 300 people showed up. The protest was in response to the events that led to the death of a black man from Port Arthur one evening last week (date)?. Mr. X & co. allege police brutality and a cover-up of the cause of death. There is an ongoing investigation being conducted by the FBI and Texas Rangers. That's a rough sketch. Deatonjr (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

So yeah there was a passage added about the LaDay protests. It was lifted from the local television website and removed. Copyvio. Might be a good source for the necessary addition to this article. Deatonjr (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I usually watch over this article against vandalism, but the removal of the article was appropriate. A brief mention of his actions there would suffice, but copy and pasting of an entire article is frowned upon. I learned that early in my wiki career. :) --Hourick (talk) 17:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Malcom X Style vs. Quanell X Style

Malcom X is the featured article on the home page today. As a featured article, it would be good to take note of that article's format and style, especially because of the similarities in title (X) before and after a change in name. For Quanell X, I propose that the article should refer to the subject as "Quanell" or "Evans" before the switch to "Quanell X". Subsequent references should refer to him as "Quanell X", rather than "Evans" or "Mr. X". Deatonjr (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that is an unreasonable suggestion and seems quite appropriate. For some reason, I've never even looked at that article before, which is a shame, because it IS a very good format that should be used here. --Hourick (talk) 17:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Murder of Quanell X's brother Solved

Quanell X's brother was one victim of a 1992 quadruple murder. From the Wednesday, August 12, 2009 edition of the Houston Chronicle: "Quanell X gets closure of his own" by Dale Lezon. "Three men already in prison were charged with capital murder in the deaths, one providing authorities with a confession, investigators said." Deatonjr (talk) 17:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Quanell X in the news the last few years

The most recent news:

Uproar in Houston after video shows police beating 15-year-old suspect. (2011, February 5). CNN. Retrieved from http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-05/justice/texas.police.beating_1_police-officers-police-car-police-department?_s=PM:CRIME

In February 2015 Quanell X participated in "Shoot / Don't Shoot" training at a Texas police department. As a result of the experience he modified some of his views about police/civilian encounters. I think this ought to be included in his Wikipedia article, but I thought I would solicit advice before getting started. Here is a link to the video:

http://www.policeone.com/police-products/training/gear/articles/8239107-Video-Black-Panther-leader-undergoes-shoot-dont-shoot-training/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reclarke (talk • contribs) 22:49, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Quanell X/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: – Quadell ^(talk) 15:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Nominator: User:Deatonjr

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
	1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	There is room for improvement (words like "exoteric" are not commonly used, and there's no need to show cents in "$20,000.00"), but the prose is generally fine.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lead section), the lede should summarize all sections of the article. This one-sentence lede is clearly inadequate. The "Community activist" section reads like a collection of unrelated facts, and could use some organization. The McVicker cite in the "External links" section should either be used as a source for specific information, or should be removed.
	2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	The refences section is fine.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	It is very important that all controversial statements be accurately sourced. This is a serious problem in the article. For instance, the article claims "The speech included chants of 'black power' and the exhortation for blacks to ignore 'white law.'", but the source given does not say anything remotely related to this. Many other claims in that paragraph (e.g. "Quanell X could not be heard over the noise, even when using a bullhorn") are not in any of the sources. This problem occurs throughout the article.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Except for the problem above, this is not a problem.
	3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	There is material in the sources about his upbringing, criminal past, and more recent actions, that are not in the article. This article gives lots of attention to controversial information, but needs more information on the rest of his life.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Not a problem.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	X has been a spokesman for several organizations, and has said many, many things which would be relevant to the article. But the quotes in the article seem picked with the sole purpose of casting him in a negative light. For instance, his "I say to Jewish America" quote is obviously incindiary, but doesn't seem to have anything to do with his entry and ejection from the Nation of Islam. Certainly he's a polarizing figure, but choosing only quotes to make him look bad is a violation of WP:BLP. There are other serious neutrality problems. The article mentions his bodyguard's legal problems, clearly intending to link them to Quanell X, but does not give any reason why they are relevant to X's biography. (Did X know about the sedition?) Also, the article says X went to Cleveland "to support 18 men allegedly involved in the gang rape of an 11 year old girl", but the sources don't say he was there to support them. These subtler POV problems pervade the article.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Not currently a problem.
	6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Image is correctly sourced.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Image is appropriate, caption is good. More pictures would be useful.
	7. Overall assessment.	This article does not pass GA criteria at this time.

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Quanell X/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: fail It lacks references, all major points are not appropriately cited. Multiple reference requests are present. Coverage and accuracy: pass It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies. Structure: pass It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content. Grammar: pass It is free from major grammatical errors. Supporting materials: fail It does not contain appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams. Additional comments: Upgrade to start class. Additional references required to get to B or WP:GA class. -- Postoak (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 20:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Quannel X praises Donald Trump, criticizes Barack Obama and the Democratic party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p5AS5dOtf0 71.182.241.248 (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

GA review #2b and others

Came to talk about an edit I just made re: a paragraph stating something that its own cited source proves factually incorrect (date of expulsion from Nation of Islam -- shortly after the 1995 incident, not the 1999 one), then realized that the issue of text misrepresenting the cited sources had already been raised in the GA review. There are more examples of factual misrepresentations of cited sources like this throughout the article; I'll probably be rereading the sources and correcting what I can find here over the next few days. I don't reasonably expect that it'll be GA level by the time I'm done or anything -- honestly, it's probably even questionable whether it is currently C-level to begin with; seems like the only thing nudging it past start-level to C is the technicality that the formal criteria don't explicitly state it needs *accurate* "citations to more than one reliable source" -- but it can probably at least earn its C rating with a little work. Gnassar (talk) 05:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

"Quanell X spoke truth to power to the dismay of the judicial system and the proceedings were paused briefly" in section "Community activist"

I don't really understand what this means. Could some who understands it reword it for people who don't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.99.105 (talk) 06:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

March 2011-11 year old girl

I think he has been misquoted about the 11 year old girl on here. Where is the evidence that he said such a shocking thing? It seems like maybe his words were twisted. No evidence of this quote was supplied. Trickmind (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Omitting Facts

Why are there no references to his criminal history, the confrontation of Kasmere Gardens residents at the community center by people who gave Quannel hundreds of thousands of dollars and other such details omitted from this page? 74.193.18.116 (talk) 04:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

There aren't because you haven't added any. Make sure you add appropriate references to all statements, or they will be removed — Safety Cap (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)