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Can anyone use the picture of him and make it into the article? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:QaziMoahmmed.jpg here it's a picture of him. So anyone can use it. --134.147.116.1 16:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Soviets backed him and his government. So, it should also be mentioned that he was a communist

No he wasn't one. I read the article from Roosevelt and there was written he wasn't one. The USSR hoped he will help to let the USSR more influence in the region 4 them. --134.147.73.33 16:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dont understand how a non biased article can declare a person to be hostile, without an references.

Reference to Ajams

Qazi Muhammad in his last message to the Kurds, has mentioned Ajams(Persians) not Shiites. It is not very nice, and I just provide a translation purely for technical/historical purposes. Personally, I do not agree with what he has siad about Persians.

Quote from his last message in Persian: باور به دشمن نکنید خصوصاٌ دشمن عجم , زیرا به چند علت و راه عجم دشمن شماست, و دشمن میهن و دین شماست, تاریخ این را ثابت کرده که دائماٌ نسبت به ملت کرد بهانه گیر است و به کمترین گناه شما را می کشد و از هیچ گناهی نسبت به کرد بر نمی گردد. Translation: Do not believe the enemy specially the Ajam enemy, since due to several reasons Ajam is your enemy and also enemy of your nation and religion. History has proved this that they (Ajams) are jealous of the Kurdish nation and they will kill you for the slightest mistake/sin and they do not refrain from committing any sin against the Kurds. Heja Helweda 04:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kurds call Azeris Ajam as well. That is the traditional name for Shi'ites used by Sunni Kurds. Note he mentions enemies of religion as well. --Ali doostzadeh 21:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's also what is said on the article for the word Ajam. According to that, Kurds refer to Persians and Azeris as Ajam, which coincides largely with the Shiite Iranians. Historically, Arabs used the term for all Iranian people, so from an Arab's point of view in those times a Kurd would be Ajam as well. It seems to me that the current usage of the word by Kurds is more based on their religous affinity to Arabs, rather than distance from Persians in particular. Also, please note that until not very long ago (and to some extent, still), the terms Persian and Iranian were used interchangably, meaning that an Arab referring to Persians as Ajam, did not necessarily have only Persian-speaking people in mind. Anyhow, since the interpretation is uncertain, I don't see a problem with the way it is written now, but I would prefer if Persians would be replaced by something like "non-Kurdish Iranians", as that is what Qazi had in mind. (According to the definition which seems to be common in WP, even the Shah was not Persian, as there is often a distinction made between Mazandaranis and Persians.) On yet another level, I don't see why such a harsh and inappropriate comment by Qazi should be mentioned at all. That he didn't particularly like other Iranians is obvious from the rest of the article anyway. Shervink 08:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)shervink[reply]

Exactly. For example Baluchis sometimes call shi'i muslims as Qajars! Even their Persian speaking neighbors Sistanis are called Qajars. I removed the sentence until the dispute is solved. --Ali doostzadeh 09:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other quotes:

مطمئن باشید اگر عجم عسل را به شما بدهد حتماٌ زهر در آن وجود دارد

translation: If Ajam gives you honney, be sure there is poison in it.

قاضی محمد شعر بسیار مهم و پرمحتوایی به زبان فارسی خواند که رگ و ریشه عجم و شیعه را درآورد.

Translation: Qazi Muhammad read a poem harshly refering to the blood and roots of Persians (Ajams) and Shia muslims.

ملا مصطفی تصور حقیقی شما عجم ها را برایم کشید و مرا حالی کرد که شماها � عجم ها � چطور و چی هستید.

هیچ قومی و ملتی مانند عجم نیست, زمانی که صاحب قدر هست از او بی رحم تر و بی وجدان تر و ظالم تر نیست اما زمانی بی قدرت و زیر دست شدند کسی نمی تواند مانند عجم خود را مظلوم کند و آه و ناله و فغان کند, در حال قدرتمندی هر چه از دستش بر آید انجام می دهد و در حال زبونی و زیردستی به هر چیزی که او را نجات دهد متوسل می شود و می گوید, حال تو به این امید نباش که تو گناهی نکرده ای و عجم از تو بگذرد.

در حال قدرت کسی از عجم ظالمتر و بی رحمتر و دل سیاه تر وجود ندارد.

در میان همه دشمنان ملت کرد دشمن عجم از همه ظالمتر و ملعون تر و خدانشناس تر و بی رحم تر است.

Quotes that shows his prejustice toward Ajams:

عجم نه خدا را می شناسد و نه به خدا و پیامبر( ص ) باور دارد و نه باور به روز قیامت و حساب و کتاب دارد.نزد آنها بخاطر اینکه کرد هستید هر چند مسلمان هم باشید گناهکار و محکوم هستید.

there are many other quotes there as well.

It is clear that he was hostile toward Ajams and Shia and had a stereotypic picture of them in his mind. The latter means he had prejustice toward Ajam and Shia people. For example he would not trust an ajam or a shia muslim.

However I am not sure what Ajam means here: Persian? Azeri ? or both ?

--Atishbom 17:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any sources for the quotes? --Japan01 20:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unknowledgefull to Kurdish language and society there are people who undeliberately or on purpose misinterpret Kurdish idioms and terms. The word Ajam in Kurdish has no racial or religious concept. It is used for Iranians especially for ruling class and military. The same word was used by other Muslim peoples such as Ottomans or Arabs. Ottomans used Acemistan (Ajamistan), for Iran. In Arabic it was Bild al Ajam. The word Ajam is arabized form of the Greek Achem, aka name of an old Iranian ruling class, said to be related to Achaemenids. Even to this day the word Ajam is widely used by Kurds as a local name for Sepah, Basij and other Iranian military units. Yasvoniaj (talk) 12:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture II

The kurdish wikipedia has a picture of him. But there is nothing about the licence. Can anyone find it out? --134.147.119.20 02:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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