Talk:Purple Cow

Major Revamping

I'm proposing a major revamp of the structure of the article such as it stands. First, it is not true that it is the "second most-quoted" poem, but this is a nice idea and almost gets at the truth of its popularity, so what I propose is simply to make plain this is a claim, and then show it was popular using well-known instances of quoting the poem by notables. I see no reason at all some Purple Cow ice cream shop should be part of this UNLESS there is some controversy involving alleged trade mark, in which case it might be interesting. Hypatea (talk) 08:11, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Meme?

I think that if this entry remains here, it should contain more examples of the literary allusion "purple cow" used in contexts outside the poem (which should probably also be quoted here like it is on its author's page). They could be figurative, like the theme of Godin's book, or more literal, like the purple milkshakes.

One context I'm familiar with (which might be the same inspiration for the Purple Cow restaurant) is a grape-flavored glass of milk, made by adding grape juice or grape-flavored drink powder.B7T 05:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added some references to major popular cultural uses. I believe there was a Purple Cow literary society which operated in Berkeley, California for some time as well, and issued a mimeographed journal. Hypatea (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

only if sourced -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:24, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Doris Day and Jim Moseley are completely accessible sources and the nature of their use of Purple Cow is obvious on the face of it, but even so, I provided a Day link to public domain audio material. I will not include the literary society without sourcing, but Moseley and Day are well known public figures. f you want a page number and direct quote from Moseley's book, I can do that, too, but don't see any need for now. Go easy, RedPen, stop reverting before I have a chance to make any complete edits. Hypatea (talk) 05:30, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OR and WP:V and WP:IPC you will need to provide reliably published sources that specifically identify the connection and make some type of statement about why the connection is encyclopedic and not just "Hey Looky looky, I seen it here!!!" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:36, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, I will not need to do that. The references are themselves notable uses of the poem, and their use of the poem reinforces the main entry which affirms that the poem is indeed notable. Doris Day and Harry S. Truman using the poem publicly mean the "meme" was in place in the 1940s and 1950s, and didn't come up last week, in 2014. Stop trying to bully me and my editing and stop wiki-lawyering or I will be forced to call you names and perhaps worse. Stop now, you've been warned. The sources and entries I made are all good. Go away now. That's a good internet person. Hypatea (talk) 05:45, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you will do that. Policy REQUIRES the person reintroducing content to provide appropriate sourcing. And WP:IPC indicates that primary sourcing is insufficient- being an encyclopedia, we need third party commentary. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am proposing a complete revamp instead, see above. This article will be informative despite you, and despite guidelines which are attempting to cloud the issue.Hypatea (talk) 08:11, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Milka?

Has this got anything to do with the purple cow from Milka? Peter S. 11:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that is actually that well-known in the United States, which seems to be where the term "purple cow" originated; although it's possible that the poem was the inspiration for the Milka logo. B7T 02:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

disambiguated from Seth Godin's book

I moved the information about the book to Purple Cow: Transform Your Business by Being Remarkable and added an otheruses template to link that article at the top here. Parzival418 21:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

on further Wikification of this page

I am also changing the title from "Purple cow" to "Purple Cow" since most of the meanings here are proper names. But some are not, so I'm not sure the best way to handle this. Maybe separate articles are needed, or maybe some of these terms should be moved to Wiktionary. Parzival418 21:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contributions By Purplecow2008

Most of the contributions thus far by Purplecow2008 have been laudatory and subjective. Please refrain from abusively promoting the article. You have been warned. [1]

I am unfamilar with Wikipedia protocol. Perhaps I should contacted the user directly. fathomthisss 02:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up

I have restored this to how it was before my edits, as there was discussion on Wikiproject that this could be saved as a dab or as a phrases article rather than a redirect to the book. Boleyn2 (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I acted without reading this talk page first. The HatNote Dab dab'ates adequately, or if not, make the book primary or write a two-entry Dab for equal Dab'n between this meme article and the book article. If someone thinks this is the basis for a Dab page, they are implicitly arguing for the discarding completely the various sections besides the meme and the book (a matter on which i have no position), but those arguments need to be explicit, not replaced by making magical passes and saying "Voila! You saw a sow's ear, now by virtue of a Dab tag, it has become a silk purse.
--Jerzy•t 09:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where should I put this, or should I even put this at all?

Cowbella, a character on the TV show Jim Henson's Pajanimals is a purple cow, although this might just be a coincidence. She might've been inspired by the poem. If I add info about her on this page, where should I put it? Should I create a new section? --67.85.242.74 (talk) 12:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this and other such material should have a Legacy section, imho. Hypatea (talk) 06:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not technically a non-sense poem

The Purple Cow is not technically a non-sense poem, as Jabberwocky is. It is more akin to The Man Who Wasn't There, which is an attempt at paradoxical logic, not non-sense. I propose the appellation be struck from the opening sentence. Hypatea (talk) 07:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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